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EIU is up there too, as an EIU grad it’s a tough sell to come to Charleston. Not much basketball history, typically over shadowed by football who actually has a great history for an FCS school. Great opportunity for a young Coach though. Loved my years there.

You can honestly argue that EIU has a more storied and relevant recent history in football than Illinois when comparing significant alums:

Shanahan (HOF HC)
Sean Payton (HOF HC- debatable)
Romo (Elite QB in his prime for the Cowboys)
Garrappolo (Starting NFL QB)
Childress (Longtime former HC and OC in the NFL)
Ryan Pace (NFL GM, hated by most)

Pretty wild for an FCS school in the middle of nowhere honestly (no offense to Charleston, used to run state finals there back in HS on the blue track).

Anways....sorry for being off-topic... I might be in the minority here that I feel our recruiting is rolling and we don't necessarily need Antigua for that in the same way we did back in 2017 when we sorely needed talent infusions to our roster and to expand past our normal MO at the time of focusing on Chicago one and dones and striking out repeatedly. His development of big men, *especially* what he did with Leron, would be invaluable once Coleman leaves.
 
#227      

splitter

and not Nebraska
I don't think we are close. Yes, we all understand Tyler is an assistant coach under his dad here, but Tyler has been very good at his job and has a bright future in coaching. He could likely get hired somewhere else, easily, if he wanted to. We owe Tyler (and his analytics/statistics friend) a lot of thanks for our defensive success.
If Chester or Geoff get head coaching jobs, would Tyler follow along with either one to become a recruiting assistant coach?
 
#229      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Idk…do any of the guys brought in after him come, if Ayo never arrives?
We were flat on our back as a program, totally unable to get out of our own way, a toxic stew.

Now we're not.

Chin Coleman is just one small piece of that story, but he is a piece of it, and it's just not to my taste that we'd have a bad attitude about him, even where he initiated a breakup that has probably left us better off.
 
#230      
I know its a cool kid move around here to snicker about Chin, and I'm not desperate for his return either, but I don't think it's right to forget that he was brought here to get us his former AAU player Ayo Dosunmu and in doing so he's among the most impactful assistants we've ever had here.

Hiring Chin to get Ayo and Adam Miller is no different in my mind than when programs hire a player's dad/uncle/HS janitor as an AC just to secure a commitment. Hiring him was our "toll" to pay to the Chicago/MIFire recruiting scene in a sense.

Sure, it was "impactful" that it allowed us to land the 1-2 players.....but hiring anyone who was in Chin's position at that time would have led to the same result. Everything about him since leaving Champaign has shown his ultimate talent was simply being buddies with the guys who run MIF while they had some top talent.
 
#231      
Brian Dutcher (San Diego St HC) seems a strong fit for the Michigan job, supposing Howard is fired and Dutcher wants to leave San Diego. Dutcher is a Michigan native and was a Wolverine assistant for 10 years before spending the last 25 in San Diego, following Steve Fisher between those two. Dutcher's father coached at Eastern Michigan, down the road from Ann Arbor. Money would surely be better, but that San Diego lifestyle... San Diego State seems to me a rare mid-major job that you might consider staying with for life, over high major options.

Pondering Chester Frazier receiving coaching offers this offseason, I am looking at mid-majors where the coach might be on the hot seat and see a number that fit Chester's mid-Atlantic roots. (Not that a school anywhere else in the country won't consider him for a job.)
: UMBC, Maryland Eastern Shore, Loyola Maryland, Hampton, William and Mary, VMI, and LaSalle.
You might be right, but I get the feeling Dutcher is extremely personally invested in what he and coach Fisher built at SDSU. The money would have to be huge to get me to opt to spend my winters in Ann Arbor as opposed to San Diego. That's not even considering the job security and status he has there. He's probably in a Mark Few situation. He has built a legacy at a mid-major to the point where they no longer recruit like a mid-major, have a legitimate shot to make noise every March, and would probably have to commit a felony to get fired.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Hiring Chin to get Ayo and Adam Miller is no different in my mind than when programs hire a player's dad/uncle/HS janitor as an AC just to secure a commitment.
Exactly, and I was head-over-heels when we did it for exactly that reason. You play to win the game.

And having already gotten our benefit, I'm not chomping at the bit to hire him again, because I think the rest of your post is basically the right assessment.

But, y'know, have some magnanimity about it! Chin did right by us!
 
#234      
Exactly, and I was head-over-heels when we did it for exactly that reason. You play to win the game.

And having already gotten our benefit, I'm not chomping at the bit to hire him again, because I think the rest of your post is basically the right assessment.

But, y'know, have some magnanimity about it! Chin did right by us!
The worst of it all is we’ll never really know who would have won…had Chin & Fran gone to the Pizza Hut Parking Lot. An epic Chi-town vs Philly bare knuckle brawl that we’re now left to ponder forever. 😢 What could have been, indeed.

PS: One thing is for sure…OA would have made short work of him.
 
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Idk…do any of the guys brought in after him come, if Ayo never arrives?
Underwood is the common factor, not Chin, & we've reached the point where you can assume that BU would've gotten another ace recruiting assistant. Boyton, Gentry, OA, Anderson, Frazier didn't happen by accident.

The reason why we have an easy comparison is Chin chose to leave, and in doing so showed himself to be easily replaced. Shoot, we wouldn't even be having this conversation if he wasn't about to be replaced again.
 
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Captain Bubbles

Fairfield, IL
You can honestly argue that EIU has a more storied and relevant recent history in football than Illinois when comparing significant alums:

Shanahan (HOF HC)
Sean Payton (HOF HC- debatable)
Romo (Elite QB in his prime for the Cowboys)
Garrappolo (Starting NFL QB)
Childress (Longtime former HC and OC in the NFL)
Ryan Pace (NFL GM, hated by most)

Pretty wild for an FCS school in the middle of nowhere honestly (no offense to Charleston, used to run state finals there back in HS on the blue track).
I agree with this post. I attended the EIU Homecoming football game last year vs UT Martin and from what I saw, the Panthers football team is in good hands with Coach Wilkerson. I was a student at EIU during the Jimmy Garoppolo & Dino Babers era. What a time that was. Jimmy G is still the best QB I've watched in person. The passes he threw to Erik Lora and others were mindblown.
 
#238      
Exactly, and I was head-over-heels when we did it for exactly that reason. You play to win the game.

And having already gotten our benefit, I'm not chomping at the bit to hire him again, because I think the rest of your post is basically the right assessment.

But, y'know, have some magnanimity about it! Chin did right by us!
He did. But it's a bizzarro Groce/Weber perspective to say we landed a program changing guy so one of multiple reasons why he committed is the explanation for all future success, particularly when the perception was he left us for greener pastures.
 
#239      
The OSU firing got me thinking about what the "best" jobs in the Big Ten were, and I think there might be more parity than in any other conference. I'd defer to insiders who know a lot more about what would go into the day-to-day for a coach, but I think I would look at the (non-Illinois) Big Ten jobs like this if I were a coach. Again, this is not a ranking of how "prestigious" each job is, it's how much I would be interested if I had my pick of the litter!

TIER ONE: I'm not leaving these jobs except for MAYBE a Blue Blood. Maybe not even then if I'm happy there and they give me a fat raise.
Michigan State: Good instate recruiting, recognizable brand, great fan support and yet more realistic expectations than Indiana even though they have every right to be greedier! Great spot, IMO.
Indiana: Hate to say it, but it's a great job. Disproportionate NIL money funded toward hoops, great instate recruiting (and a preference toward IU historically), good facilities (IIRC) and probably the best overall fan support through thick and thin in the Big Ten. Additionally, while they're still totally delusional, their fans seem to be BEGINNING to accept that they cannot afford to have Blue Blood expectations anymore, at least with a new coach.
Wisconsin: Very underrated, IMO. Cool campus in a cool town with good facilities, great recent history, better instate recruiting than one might think (and only competition from Marquette for fan interest, in Milwaukee only). Additionally, their fans actually seem to be much more chill about results than even Illinois fans.

TIER TWO: These are my "sleeping giant" jobs, but there are at least some things about them that I might not like.
Ohio State: RELATIVELY low expectations at a place with a good history and tons of money. Great instate recruiting with minimal competition. Playing in that arena would suck, though. It also might get annoying being such a second fiddle program on that campus.
Rutgers: I really believe if someone like Scott Drew wound up at RU instead of Baylor, they'd be a powerhouse now. They're the Illini football of college basketball except with a better home court atmosphere and maybe even comparatively better instate recruiting. I'm willing to bet the facilities and NIL are a step behind, but fan interest is clearly there and you have a lot of potential to fundraise in that state.

TIER THREE: "Good jobs" on paper but something at each that might scare me away.
Purdue: Hot take, but Purdue's great success is a testament to the coaches they've had ... not the job. Meh facilities, tons of competition for instate talent, a smaller fan base due to that same reason, etc.
Maryland: Crazy-!!! fan base with crazy expectations that ALSO doesn't pack the house. Worst of both worlds on that front. I have also heard people say College Park is not attractive. Instate recruiting is pretty elite and good tradition, but I would see this as a "trap" job, haha.
Minnesota: Underrated overall but still just not a lot of history of winning.
Michigan

TIER FOUR: I'm honestly still unsure how I feel about it.
Nebraska: GREAT fan support compared to the historical success, an awesome arena, pretty low expectations and a lot of money in the athletic department ... but I have to question how easy it would be to recruit kids to Nebraska for hoops.

TIER FIVE: I'll probably pass.
Iowa: I have respect for Iowa's program historically, but I think this is a tough job. Bad instate recruiting (that you share with Iowa State), fairly crappy facilities, limited NIL disproportionately channeled toward football and completely erratic fan support (actually a great mirror to Illini football fans, IMO).

TIER SIX: Absolutely not.
Northwestern: Academic standards and crap fan support alone would make this one suck, at least for me.
Penn State: I used to apply at least some of the same "sleeping giant" logic to PSU that I did to Rutgers above, but man ... their support for this program is just awful. Additionally, I think they have the worst arena in the conference. While PSU football seems to "lock down its borders" for recruiting and fan interest much better, it seems love for PSU basketball is practically non-existent outside of Happy Valley (if it even exists there!). I am willing to bet there are a lot of bandwagoners in that state who do something like cheer for PSU in football and Villanova in hoops, and it would be hard to get them on board.
 
#240      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
TIER TWO: Rutgers:

TIER THREE: Purdue:

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#241      
The OSU firing got me thinking about what the "best" jobs in the Big Ten were, and I think there might be more parity than in any other conference. I'd defer to insiders who know a lot more about what would go into the day-to-day for a coach, but I think I would look at the (non-Illinois) Big Ten jobs like this if I were a coach. Again, this is not a ranking of how "prestigious" each job is, it's how much I would be interested if I had my pick of the litter!

TIER ONE: I'm not leaving these jobs except for MAYBE a Blue Blood. Maybe not even then if I'm happy there and they give me a fat raise.
Michigan State: Good instate recruiting, recognizable brand, great fan support and yet more realistic expectations than Indiana even though they have every right to be greedier! Great spot, IMO.
Indiana: Hate to say it, but it's a great job. Disproportionate NIL money funded toward hoops, great instate recruiting (and a preference toward IU historically), good facilities (IIRC) and probably the best overall fan support through thick and thin in the Big Ten. Additionally, while they're still totally delusional, their fans seem to be BEGINNING to accept that they cannot afford to have Blue Blood expectations anymore, at least with a new coach.
Wisconsin: Very underrated, IMO. Cool campus in a cool town with good facilities, great recent history, better instate recruiting than one might think (and only competition from Marquette for fan interest, in Milwaukee only). Additionally, their fans actually seem to be much more chill about results than even Illinois fans.

TIER TWO: These are my "sleeping giant" jobs, but there are at least some things about them that I might not like.
Ohio State: RELATIVELY low expectations at a place with a good history and tons of money. Great instate recruiting with minimal competition. Playing in that arena would suck, though. It also might get annoying being such a second fiddle program on that campus.
Rutgers: I really believe if someone like Scott Drew wound up at RU instead of Baylor, they'd be a powerhouse now. They're the Illini football of college basketball except with a better home court atmosphere and maybe even comparatively better instate recruiting. I'm willing to bet the facilities and NIL are a step behind, but fan interest is clearly there and you have a lot of potential to fundraise in that state.

TIER THREE: "Good jobs" on paper but something at each that might scare me away.
Purdue: Hot take, but Purdue's great success is a testament to the coaches they've had ... not the job. Meh facilities, tons of competition for instate talent, a smaller fan base due to that same reason, etc.
Maryland: Crazy-!!! fan base with crazy expectations that ALSO doesn't pack the house. Worst of both worlds on that front. I have also heard people say College Park is not attractive. Instate recruiting is pretty elite and good tradition, but I would see this as a "trap" job, haha.
Minnesota: Underrated overall but still just not a lot of history of winning.
Michigan

TIER FOUR: I'm honestly still unsure how I feel about it.
Nebraska: GREAT fan support compared to the historical success, an awesome arena, pretty low expectations and a lot of money in the athletic department ... but I have to question how easy it would be to recruit kids to Nebraska for hoops.

TIER FIVE: I'll probably pass.
Iowa: I have respect for Iowa's program historically, but I think this is a tough job. Bad instate recruiting (that you share with Iowa State), fairly crappy facilities, limited NIL disproportionately channeled toward football and completely erratic fan support (actually a great mirror to Illini football fans, IMO).

TIER SIX: Absolutely not.
Northwestern: Academic standards and crap fan support alone would make this one suck, at least for me.
Penn State: I used to apply at least some of the same "sleeping giant" logic to PSU that I did to Rutgers above, but man ... their support for this program is just awful. Additionally, I think they have the worst arena in the conference. While PSU football seems to "lock down its borders" for recruiting and fan interest much better, it seems love for PSU basketball is practically non-existent outside of Happy Valley (if it even exists there!). I am willing to bet there are a lot of bandwagoners in that state who do something like cheer for PSU in football and Villanova in hoops, and it would be hard to get them on board.
What tier is Illinois?
 
#242      
Brian Dutcher (San Diego St HC) seems a strong fit for the Michigan job, supposing Howard is fired and Dutcher wants to leave San Diego. Dutcher is a Michigan native and was a Wolverine assistant for 10 years before spending the last 25 in San Diego, following Steve Fisher between those two. Dutcher's father coached at Eastern Michigan, down the road from Ann Arbor. Money would surely be better, but that San Diego lifestyle... San Diego State seems to me a rare mid-major job that you might consider staying with for life, over high major options.

Pondering Chester Frazier receiving coaching offers this offseason, I am looking at mid-majors where the coach might be on the hot seat and see a number that fit Chester's mid-Atlantic roots. (Not that a school anywhere else in the country won't consider him for a job.)
: UMBC, Maryland Eastern Shore, Loyola Maryland, Hampton, William and Mary, VMI, and LaSalle.
He would be an improvement at Georgetown but not saying he would be considered.
 
#244      

217sports

Springfield
The OSU firing got me thinking about what the "best" jobs in the Big Ten were, and I think there might be more parity than in any other conference. I'd defer to insiders who know a lot more about what would go into the day-to-day for a coach, but I think I would look at the (non-Illinois) Big Ten jobs like this if I were a coach. Again, this is not a ranking of how "prestigious" each job is, it's how much I would be interested if I had my pick of the litter!

TIER ONE: I'm not leaving these jobs except for MAYBE a Blue Blood. Maybe not even then if I'm happy there and they give me a fat raise.
Michigan State: Good instate recruiting, recognizable brand, great fan support and yet more realistic expectations than Indiana even though they have every right to be greedier! Great spot, IMO.
Indiana: Hate to say it, but it's a great job. Disproportionate NIL money funded toward hoops, great instate recruiting (and a preference toward IU historically), good facilities (IIRC) and probably the best overall fan support through thick and thin in the Big Ten. Additionally, while they're still totally delusional, their fans seem to be BEGINNING to accept that they cannot afford to have Blue Blood expectations anymore, at least with a new coach.
Wisconsin: Very underrated, IMO. Cool campus in a cool town with good facilities, great recent history, better instate recruiting than one might think (and only competition from Marquette for fan interest, in Milwaukee only). Additionally, their fans actually seem to be much more chill about results than even Illinois fans.

TIER TWO: These are my "sleeping giant" jobs, but there are at least some things about them that I might not like.
Ohio State: RELATIVELY low expectations at a place with a good history and tons of money. Great instate recruiting with minimal competition. Playing in that arena would suck, though. It also might get annoying being such a second fiddle program on that campus.
Rutgers: I really believe if someone like Scott Drew wound up at RU instead of Baylor, they'd be a powerhouse now. They're the Illini football of college basketball except with a better home court atmosphere and maybe even comparatively better instate recruiting. I'm willing to bet the facilities and NIL are a step behind, but fan interest is clearly there and you have a lot of potential to fundraise in that state.

TIER THREE: "Good jobs" on paper but something at each that might scare me away.
Purdue: Hot take, but Purdue's great success is a testament to the coaches they've had ... not the job. Meh facilities, tons of competition for instate talent, a smaller fan base due to that same reason, etc.
Maryland: Crazy-!!! fan base with crazy expectations that ALSO doesn't pack the house. Worst of both worlds on that front. I have also heard people say College Park is not attractive. Instate recruiting is pretty elite and good tradition, but I would see this as a "trap" job, haha.
Minnesota: Underrated overall but still just not a lot of history of winning.
Michigan

TIER FOUR: I'm honestly still unsure how I feel about it.
Nebraska: GREAT fan support compared to the historical success, an awesome arena, pretty low expectations and a lot of money in the athletic department ... but I have to question how easy it would be to recruit kids to Nebraska for hoops.

TIER FIVE: I'll probably pass.
Iowa: I have respect for Iowa's program historically, but I think this is a tough job. Bad instate recruiting (that you share with Iowa State), fairly crappy facilities, limited NIL disproportionately channeled toward football and completely erratic fan support (actually a great mirror to Illini football fans, IMO).

TIER SIX: Absolutely not.
Northwestern: Academic standards and crap fan support alone would make this one suck, at least for me.
Penn State: I used to apply at least some of the same "sleeping giant" logic to PSU that I did to Rutgers above, but man ... their support for this program is just awful. Additionally, I think they have the worst arena in the conference. While PSU football seems to "lock down its borders" for recruiting and fan interest much better, it seems love for PSU basketball is practically non-existent outside of Happy Valley (if it even exists there!). I am willing to bet there are a lot of bandwagoners in that state who do something like cheer for PSU in football and Villanova in hoops, and it would be hard to get them on board.
Nebraska over Iowa? Rutgers over Maryland/Purdue?
Michigan is a t2 job. Wisconsin is below tOSU, Maryland and Purdue.
 
#246      
The OSU firing got me thinking about what the "best" jobs in the Big Ten were, and I think there might be more parity than in any other conference. I'd defer to insiders who know a lot more about what would go into the day-to-day for a coach, but I think I would look at the (non-Illinois) Big Ten jobs like this if I were a coach. Again, this is not a ranking of how "prestigious" each job is, it's how much I would be interested if I had my pick of the litter!

TIER ONE: I'm not leaving these jobs except for MAYBE a Blue Blood. Maybe not even then if I'm happy there and they give me a fat raise.
Michigan State: Good instate recruiting, recognizable brand, great fan support and yet more realistic expectations than Indiana even though they have every right to be greedier! Great spot, IMO.
Indiana: Hate to say it, but it's a great job. Disproportionate NIL money funded toward hoops, great instate recruiting (and a preference toward IU historically), good facilities (IIRC) and probably the best overall fan support through thick and thin in the Big Ten. Additionally, while they're still totally delusional, their fans seem to be BEGINNING to accept that they cannot afford to have Blue Blood expectations anymore, at least with a new coach.
Wisconsin: Very underrated, IMO. Cool campus in a cool town with good facilities, great recent history, better instate recruiting than one might think (and only competition from Marquette for fan interest, in Milwaukee only). Additionally, their fans actually seem to be much more chill about results than even Illinois fans.

TIER TWO: These are my "sleeping giant" jobs, but there are at least some things about them that I might not like.
Ohio State: RELATIVELY low expectations at a place with a good history and tons of money. Great instate recruiting with minimal competition. Playing in that arena would suck, though. It also might get annoying being such a second fiddle program on that campus.
Rutgers: I really believe if someone like Scott Drew wound up at RU instead of Baylor, they'd be a powerhouse now. They're the Illini football of college basketball except with a better home court atmosphere and maybe even comparatively better instate recruiting. I'm willing to bet the facilities and NIL are a step behind, but fan interest is clearly there and you have a lot of potential to fundraise in that state.

TIER THREE: "Good jobs" on paper but something at each that might scare me away.
Purdue: Hot take, but Purdue's great success is a testament to the coaches they've had ... not the job. Meh facilities, tons of competition for instate talent, a smaller fan base due to that same reason, etc.
Maryland: Crazy-!!! fan base with crazy expectations that ALSO doesn't pack the house. Worst of both worlds on that front. I have also heard people say College Park is not attractive. Instate recruiting is pretty elite and good tradition, but I would see this as a "trap" job, haha.
Minnesota: Underrated overall but still just not a lot of history of winning.
Michigan

TIER FOUR: I'm honestly still unsure how I feel about it.
Nebraska: GREAT fan support compared to the historical success, an awesome arena, pretty low expectations and a lot of money in the athletic department ... but I have to question how easy it would be to recruit kids to Nebraska for hoops.

TIER FIVE: I'll probably pass.
Iowa: I have respect for Iowa's program historically, but I think this is a tough job. Bad instate recruiting (that you share with Iowa State), fairly crappy facilities, limited NIL disproportionately channeled toward football and completely erratic fan support (actually a great mirror to Illini football fans, IMO).

TIER SIX: Absolutely not.
Northwestern: Academic standards and crap fan support alone would make this one suck, at least for me.
Penn State: I used to apply at least some of the same "sleeping giant" logic to PSU that I did to Rutgers above, but man ... their support for this program is just awful. Additionally, I think they have the worst arena in the conference. While PSU football seems to "lock down its borders" for recruiting and fan interest much better, it seems love for PSU basketball is practically non-existent outside of Happy Valley (if it even exists there!). I am willing to bet there are a lot of bandwagoners in that state who do something like cheer for PSU in football and Villanova in hoops, and it would be hard to get them on board.
Rutgers way too high. Wisconsin way too high. Maryland should move up a tier. Minnesota should move down a tier.
 
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Illini231's awesome and correct ranking of Big Ten jobs:
1. Indiana
2. Michigan State
3. Michigan
4. Illinois
5. Ohio State
6. Maryland
7. Purdue
8. Wisconsin
9. Minnesota
10. Rutgers
11. Nebraska
12. Iowa
13. Northwestern
14. Penn State
 
#248      

Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
The OSU firing got me thinking about what the "best" jobs in the Big Ten were, and I think there might be more parity than in any other conference. I'd defer to insiders who know a lot more about what would go into the day-to-day for a coach, but I think I would look at the (non-Illinois) Big Ten jobs like this if I were a coach. Again, this is not a ranking of how "prestigious" each job is, it's how much I would be interested if I had my pick of the litter!

TIER ONE: I'm not leaving these jobs except for MAYBE a Blue Blood. Maybe not even then if I'm happy there and they give me a fat raise.
Michigan State: Good instate recruiting, recognizable brand, great fan support and yet more realistic expectations than Indiana even though they have every right to be greedier! Great spot, IMO.
Indiana: Hate to say it, but it's a great job. Disproportionate NIL money funded toward hoops, great instate recruiting (and a preference toward IU historically), good facilities (IIRC) and probably the best overall fan support through thick and thin in the Big Ten. Additionally, while they're still totally delusional, their fans seem to be BEGINNING to accept that they cannot afford to have Blue Blood expectations anymore, at least with a new coach.
Wisconsin: Very underrated, IMO. Cool campus in a cool town with good facilities, great recent history, better instate recruiting than one might think (and only competition from Marquette for fan interest, in Milwaukee only). Additionally, their fans actually seem to be much more chill about results than even Illinois fans.

TIER TWO: These are my "sleeping giant" jobs, but there are at least some things about them that I might not like.
Ohio State: RELATIVELY low expectations at a place with a good history and tons of money. Great instate recruiting with minimal competition. Playing in that arena would suck, though. It also might get annoying being such a second fiddle program on that campus.
Rutgers: I really believe if someone like Scott Drew wound up at RU instead of Baylor, they'd be a powerhouse now. They're the Illini football of college basketball except with a better home court atmosphere and maybe even comparatively better instate recruiting. I'm willing to bet the facilities and NIL are a step behind, but fan interest is clearly there and you have a lot of potential to fundraise in that state.

TIER THREE: "Good jobs" on paper but something at each that might scare me away.
Purdue: Hot take, but Purdue's great success is a testament to the coaches they've had ... not the job. Meh facilities, tons of competition for instate talent, a smaller fan base due to that same reason, etc.
Maryland: Crazy-!!! fan base with crazy expectations that ALSO doesn't pack the house. Worst of both worlds on that front. I have also heard people say College Park is not attractive. Instate recruiting is pretty elite and good tradition, but I would see this as a "trap" job, haha.
Minnesota: Underrated overall but still just not a lot of history of winning.
Michigan

TIER FOUR: I'm honestly still unsure how I feel about it.
Nebraska: GREAT fan support compared to the historical success, an awesome arena, pretty low expectations and a lot of money in the athletic department ... but I have to question how easy it would be to recruit kids to Nebraska for hoops.

TIER FIVE: I'll probably pass.
Iowa: I have respect for Iowa's program historically, but I think this is a tough job. Bad instate recruiting (that you share with Iowa State), fairly crappy facilities, limited NIL disproportionately channeled toward football and completely erratic fan support (actually a great mirror to Illini football fans, IMO).

TIER SIX: Absolutely not.
Northwestern: Academic standards and crap fan support alone would make this one suck, at least for me.
Penn State: I used to apply at least some of the same "sleeping giant" logic to PSU that I did to Rutgers above, but man ... their support for this program is just awful. Additionally, I think they have the worst arena in the conference. While PSU football seems to "lock down its borders" for recruiting and fan interest much better, it seems love for PSU basketball is practically non-existent outside of Happy Valley (if it even exists there!). I am willing to bet there are a lot of bandwagoners in that state who do something like cheer for PSU in football and Villanova in hoops, and it would be hard to get them on board.
Where would you place the incoming B1G schools -- UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington? I feel that almost all of these would be in lower tiers.

Also, I think Purdue needs to move up a tier, simply because of their prior successes. I would also drop Rutgers to Tier Three (maybe even lower), but that is just me.

Michigan not even making the list anywhere -- wow Juwan has tanked that program :)
 
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More love here for MSU than I would have thought. Is it really the school or is it Izzo? I realize there is carryover, Duke did not collapse when K retired, etc.

I guess I feel it's more Izzo in East Lansing, and while they'd be good for a while after he is gone (because they'd have enough cachet to get a good coach to follow Izzo) , I'm not sure it's sustainable in the long run.
 
#250      
there was a great article on the athletic about a month ago about how fans have gave up on Fran
 
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