Coaching Carousel (Basketball)

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#126      
InDaAZ
If only to p.o. Hoosier Nation, Josh should open up the vault and execute a #BradSwap…
Brad Stevens Smh GIF by Boston Celtics

*hypothetically speaking
 
#128      
Idea Gardener
sacraig said:
Being proactive can also mean that he has feelers out now (and basically at any time) and has a pretty good pulse on what other coaches on his list would have interest in any given off-season. It doesn't have to mean that we are the first domino.
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Feelers are great, but not worth much if your job opens after they're hired.

If we put out feelers to X coach right now, he's going to say he's interested. But if "first domino school" (i.e. Indiana) can make him an offer immediately after the season, and Illinois' job doesn't even come open until a few dominos later, we miss out.

I don't think that's how Josh rolls.
 
#129      
IlliniJeevs
High major job openings:

Confirmed:
Virginia
Indiana
Miami

Likely:
Villanova
ASU
Texas
UNC

Possible:
Kstate
NC State
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Ohio State
Rutgers

Possible retirements:
Iowa
MSU
Kansas

Potential Domino:
Clemson
UCLA
Texas Tech
Iowa State
WVU
Florida
A&M
Mizzou
Ole Miss
Vanderbilt
Xavier

I could be missing some as well. Where do we fit in if these are the openings we are competing against?
 
#131      
HailtotheChief
LvilleILL1 said:
K State does not have more NIL than us lol. They aren't far off, but that's simply not true. We have the second or third most in the B10, which is way more money making than the big 12.

For the love of god, this fanbase is trying to force Brad out. The likelihood he leaves is slim to none.
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Do you think Josh says Tyler and or Hamer gotta go? Although i think was utter nonsense, this years team was being compared to the 89 squad that had 2 lottery picks and 5 guys drafted. Now that crap has changed as we are only a few more loses from playing our way on the bubble! We better beat Iowa at home.
Scott Richey posted a list of the last few years vs top 15 teams and the team has lost far more than they have won in what Richey posted. It's gotta improve because BU and the staff are elite recruiters. We usually have more talent but imo gets out coached by the Izzos, Painters, and other top coaches with teams that have inferior talent on the roster most of the time. Duke the other night was an exception, they had more talent. BU has to do better with great players he does get. I think that's frustrating. Watching our squad lose so many games to those we shouldn't so often, especailly after building a lead! That is on Brad. When other coaches adjust in games doe he? I think that's what is frustrating at NW or home vs OSU, MSU or USC. The Duke or Tennessee loses are a little different. I do think BU can succeed but he needs to be more hands on and lead during the games. Saying its on him in the presser needs to stop. Learn from it and lead.
 
#132      
Indy Illini Fan
IlliniJeevs said:
Just a logistic question but what’s the difference between buyout and what is listed here?
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They revamped Tang contract in the summer …

His buyout numbers have decreased slightly, from $6 million to $5 million. That number will remain in place until April 30, 2025, then it will decrease by $1 million annually until it bottoms out at $1 million during the 2029-30 season.
 
#133      
rmlsr
Indy Illini Fan said:
We can afford both … We simply didn’t capitalize on the move to 5 assistants … I made a post here and maybe someone can find it but I said this is the time to take advantage of this rule and gain a leg up, get some guys in here that can coach X&O and/or bring in a guy who’s tied in with elite talent …

Texas Tech uses this rule to their advantage … As does Ole Miss … Instead we promoted Hamer and Tyler …
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Exactly!!! Excellent point!!!
 
#134      
Indy Illini Fan
sacraig said:
Being proactive can also mean that he has feelers out now (and basically at any time) and has a pretty good pulse on what other coaches on his list would have interest in any given off-season. It doesn't have to mean that we are the first domino.
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Bingo …
 
#135      
Indy Illini Fan
STLini25 said:
I have a hard time believing a school is paying a $15 million buyout to the U of I to get Underwood. That’s a lot of money for a 61 year old coach who has made 1 Sweet 16 and doesn’t know Xs and Os and isn’t particularly well liked by his fanbases, players or coaches
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We would be willing to negotiate Brad’s buyout if he chose to leave … Based on what I’ve been told …
 
#136      
sacraig
Indy Illini Fan said:
We can afford both … We simply didn’t capitalize on the move to 5 assistants … I made a post here and maybe someone can find it but I said this is the time to take advantage of this rule and gain a leg up, get some guys in here that can coach X&O and/or bring in a guy who’s tied in with elite talent …

Texas Tech uses this rule to their advantage … As does Ole Miss … Instead we promoted Hamer and Tyler …
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We promoted them but they both still get paid relative peanuts. We aren't going to get an Xs and Os guru for those types of pay. Shoot, we couldn't even keep TA for 2-3x that much pay and he isn't even an Xs and Os person.

Ultimately, assistants have egos just like the players and the head coach. If you get too lopsided on a single coach, it can make it harder to attract or retain other good coaches if you aren't willing to compensate them comparably. They start feeling undervalued and/or underappreciated.

So I really don't know if paying that much for one coach is worth it, no matter how good they are, if it inhibits your ability to find and keep 4 other top notch coaches. What if we had 3 coaches making $500k-600k instead of 1 making $900k and a bunch making $100k-300k? What's the better strategy? Hell if I know!
 
#139      
Indy Illini Fan
sacraig said:
We promoted them but they both still get paid relative peanuts. We aren't going to get an Xs and Os guru for those types of pay. Shoot, we couldn't even keep TA for 2-3x that much pay and he isn't even an Xs and Os person.

Ultimately, assistants have egos just like the players and the head coach. If you get too lopsided on a single coach, it can make it harder to attract or retain other good coaches if you aren't willing to compensate them comparably. They start feeling undervalued and/or underappreciated.

So I really don't know if paying that much for one coach is worth it, no matter how good they are, if it inhibits your ability to find and keep 4 other top notch coaches. What if we had 3 coaches making $500k-600k instead of 1 making $900k and a bunch making $100k-300k? What's the better strategy? Hell if I know!
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I know about 25 HS coaches who can coach circles around Tyler and Leggings boy who would do it for 100k a year … 🤷🏻‍♂️

I could give two 💩 how much recruiting they do … I’d be fine with zero recruiting … I know they can freaking coach …

We pay Orlando $900k to get us freaking players … Let him and Geoff cook on that … Let these other guys coach …
 
#140      
RabidDawgClassic
STLini25 said:
I have a hard time believing a school is paying a $15 million buyout to the U of I to get Underwood. That’s a lot of money for a 61 year old coach who has made 1 Sweet 16 and doesn’t know Xs and Os and isn’t particularly well liked by his fanbases, players or coaches
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This may be the hottest of all hottest hot takes EVER!

Wow. I mean…. wow.
 
#141      
sacraig
Idea Gardener said:
Feelers are great, but not worth much if your job opens after they're hired.

If we put out feelers to X coach right now, he's going to say he's interested. But if "first domino school" (i.e. Indiana) can make him an offer immediately after the season, and Illinois' job doesn't even come open until a few dominos later, we miss out.

I don't think that's how Josh rolls.
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Sure, which is why you just kind of keep tabs on the situation. @Indy Illini Fan (allegedly) has a sense about how various high-level coaches feel about various jobs around the country. You think JW doesn't also have that kind of information and/or a group of people tasked with keeping tabs on that kind of intel? Of course he does. He has a constantly-evolving shortlist and his organization/circle is going to be constantly keeping their ears open for intel on how those coaches feel about our and other jobs around the country. They'd be silly not to, especially if your current coach has a history of constantly having his own feelers out there (like BU allegedly does).
 
#143      
the juiceman cometh
21ChampaignSt said:
1 - Agree. This has rubbed me the wrong way every time he's done it.
2 - Fair point. Going to guess that Henson and Weber were not top 10 paid coaches. Though I have no idea.
3 - Also fair. He's finished the season ranked in the top 10 twice since 2020. So he's slightly behind on that metric too. Would have to finish top 10 two or three more times in the next four years to hit that mark. This would be a pretty unprecedented feat though. Since before BU got here we only finished in the top 10 11 times since 1949. But back to your second point, how many of those were top 10 paid coaches?
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Looks like Weber was just outside the top 20 in 2011. He made about $1.5 million, and according to this list, Geno Auriemma was #20 at $1.6 million.

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On the other hand, Weber had all his success at the beginning of his tenure, so it's not like there was ever a great reason to significantly increase his salary over the last 2/3 of his time here. BU did not start out as a top-10 paid coach, but got results that ended up with him becoming a top-10 paid coach. Not saying we shouldn't be asking for results commensurate with the pay, just pointing out a possible flaw when comparing coach salary.
 
#144      
Indy Illini Fan
Idea Gardener said:
Feelers are great, but not worth much if your job opens after they're hired.

If we put out feelers to X coach right now, he's going to say he's interested. But if "first domino school" (i.e. Indiana) can make him an offer immediately after the season, and Illinois' job doesn't even come open until a few dominos later, we miss out.

I don't think that's how Josh rolls.
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That’s EXACTLY how Josh rolls … He just may not be the one putting out the feelers himself until he officially has an opening …
 
#146      
HailtotheChief
Indy Illini Fan said:
Bingo …
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Indy, do you think Arkansas St. Head Coach Bryan Hodgson will go somewhere. I know LaTulip and others rave about him. I heard you like him too. I'm not saying here but a few years ago it was Will Wade and now I hear Hodgsin being talked about an up and coming coach. He is only 37, seems to have done well everywhere and is earning his stripes by recruiting and winning some games vs teams that should beat his squad.
 
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#147      
Illini2010-11
sacraig said:
Sure, which is why you just kind of keep tabs on the situation. @Indy Illini Fan (allegedly) has a sense about how various high-level coaches feel about various jobs around the country. You think JW doesn't also have that kind of information and/or a group of people tasked with keeping tabs on that kind of intel? Of course he does. He has a constantly-evolving shortlist and his organization/circle is going to be constantly keeping their ears open for intel on how those coaches feel about our and other jobs around the country. They'd be silly not to, especially if your current coach has a history of constantly having his own feelers out there (like BU allegedly does).
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In general it is best practice to have ideas of succession planning for any job as an employer, as is the best interest for an employee to have an understanding of the job market (or at least get a sense of it). If not, you give away any leverage you may have. I would be highly disappointed if Josh did not have a few names lined up as possibilities should an opening arise (for whatever reason). That is why I know Josh will have a suitable replacement should Brad leave this offseason. If it is true that the Illini are willing to negotiate any potential buyout should be all you need to know about how Josh feels about the situation. He has to feel confident in his ability to get a suitable replacement.
 
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#148      
hooraybeer
Indy Illini Fan said:
That’s EXACTLY how Josh rolls … He just may not be the one putting out the feelers himself until he officially has an opening …
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who does Whitman have that works under him that he trusts with these kinds of things?

also do we have anyone on staff who functions similar to pat ryan for football? we should
 
#149      
RabidDawgClassic
Indy Illini Fan said:
I know about 25 HS coaches who can coach circles around Tyler and Leggings boy who would do it for 100k a year … 🤷🏻‍♂️

I could give two 💩 how much recruiting they do … I’d be fine with zero recruiting … I know they can freaking coach …

We pay Orlando $900k to get us freaking players … Let him and Geoff cook on that … Let these other guys coach …
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I have to ask… did Hamer sleep with your girlfriend or something? Did he literally piss in your corn flakes? Did he pick on you in grade school? Look… mad props for your insights and information, and our defense certainly leaves a lot to be desired, but this seems… personal.

I mean… KJ wears leggings too. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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