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#101      
I pretty sure players came for OA. Maybe he is the exception. Also looks to me like some players came for TA and Chester.

Kofi was here because of O … Tomi, Z and Will are here because of O …

Buck, Epps, and Hansberry were here for C Fraz …

TJ, Morez, Skyy, Dainja, and Ty came here for TA … Now TJ relationship with Brad grew and they’re close now and same goes for Ty but that’s not how they got here …

It’s the assistant’s responsibility to make the relationship, build it, and convince the kid to play for Brad …
 
#102      
Kofi was here because of O … Tomi, Z and Will are here because of O …

Buck, Epps, and Hansberry were here for C Fraz …

TJ, Morez, Skyy, Dainja, and Ty came here for TA … Now TJ relationship with Brad grew and they’re close now and same goes for Ty but that’s not how they got here …

It’s the assistant’s responsibility to make the relationship, build it, and convince the kid to play for Brad …
And I'm sure the same goes for Geoff (KJ and probably others), but I can't think of a player that would be here for Tyler, Hamer or Kwa. Is that why Tyler and Hamer run the O and D, so that Brad can justify them being on the payroll in the AC capacity?
 
#103      
Part of the reason C Fraz was upset and ultimately left was because Brad wouldn’t let him run the defense …
I know you said part of the reason, but I’m just wondering how much. I thought the biggest reason he left was bc his “guys” (Amari and Sencire) were getting recruited over and losing their playing time when he thought they were ready.
 
#104      
Jimmy Fallon Wow GIF by The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon

Hamer makes that much, holy S%#t. Now I’m even more pissed.
 
#105      
I suppose if you hate being called a bully or a yes man, then I suppose it is sniping. But I stand by it because I don’t like bullies and I’m repulsed by sycophants.
 
#106      
Rabid, your initial longer post was very well written. Agree with the sentiments and don't want to detract from that.

But you have said this twice now. Talk about expectations...what do you want people here to do? Take a semester class on basketball Xs and Os? DVR every game and break down the defenses, and then come back here to report? That's for the coaches to do and the insiders (whatever their affiliation and desire to share) to report here. Of course they are a big point of reference but it is up to every individual here to filter accordingly.

To my untrained eye our defense was crap this year, I've posted a million times here on it. Sometimes I was in the majority and sometimes (NW game in Champaign) I was in the minority. I don't need training to see that a drop and chase defense is awful, how do you guard from behind? And really all the opponent has to do (Purdue was best at this) is come to a stop suddenly, we run into them, foul on us.

Agree the leggings meme has run its course but more importantly to me it is shorthand for a coach for whom the players have no respect, which is a big problem in and of itself. Yes the buck stops at Brad but we are not (and should not) be making a change there, so Hamer it is.
Honestly… anything other than simply taking the word of one person who seems to have an irrational, personal hatred for the guy as gospel. This is an echo chamber on steroids right now and I’d guess that 95 percent of the people commenting — myself included — have no idea what Hamer’s value to the staff, the team and the university truly is.
 
#107      
I, myself, have never felt misled because I take it all with a huge grain of salt

But there are so many poor folks on here who get swept up in 'FIRE THE COACHING STAFF!!!' stuff that gets posted on here every other day by someone who supposedly is plugged into said staff that he hates and wants fired

I'm simply saying to others: don't be so gullible
I stand corrected kind sir! All I can say to the bolded, is that I'd bet these are not 10+ year veterans of the IL board, they will learn and come around to the place that you and I currently sit, lol.
 
#109      
Honestly… anything other than simply taking the word of one person who seems to have an irrational, personal hatred for the guy as gospel. This is an echo chamber on steroids right now and I’d guess that 95 percent of the people commenting — myself included — have no idea what Hamer’s value to the staff, the team and the university truly is.
to be fair GIF

aren't all internet sports forums and social media sites just echo chambers on steroids?
 
#110      
I know you said part of the reason, but I’m just wondering how much. I thought the biggest reason he left was bc his “guys” (Amari and Sencire) were getting recruited over and losing their playing time when he thought they were ready.
Also thought it was a 'mutual' parting and was JW and BU's way of not firing him.
 
#111      
Rabid, your initial longer post was very well written. Agree with the sentiments and don't want to detract from that.

But you have said this twice now. Talk about expectations...what do you want people here to do? Take a semester class on basketball Xs and Os? DVR every game and break down the defenses, and then come back here to report? That's for the coaches to do and the insiders (whatever their affiliation and desire to share) to report here. Of course they are a big point of reference but it is up to every individual here to filter accordingly.

To my untrained eye our defense was crap this year, I've posted a million times here on it. Sometimes I was in the majority and sometimes (NW game in Champaign) I was in the minority. I don't need training to see that a drop and chase defense is awful, how do you guard from behind? And really all the opponent has to do (Purdue was best at this) is come to a stop suddenly, we run into them, foul on us.

Agree the leggings meme has run its course but more importantly to me it is shorthand for a coach for whom the players have no respect, which is a big problem in and of itself. Yes the buck stops at Brad but we are not (and should not) be making a change there, so Hamer it is.
Perfect post IMO. Well said.
 
#112      
Honestly… anything other than simply taking the word of one person who seems to have an irrational, personal hatred for the guy as gospel. This is an echo chamber on steroids right now and I’d guess that 95 percent of the people commenting — myself included — have no idea what Hamer’s value to the staff, the team and the university truly is.


I don’t think we (I) need Indy to tell us what Hamers background is. It was readily available to anyone interested.
I also don’t think any of this is personal hatred.
It’s a fan base seeing an inexperienced kid promoted to a position (and responsibilities) on the staff of a power conference program seeking to elevate itself to a yearly Natty contender.

Many of us here have more than a “fan of basketball” knowledge of the game. Many of us also have eyes.
Our eyes combined with feedback from Insiders tell us a change is absolutely warranted.
Team fan bases are echo chambers by default.
Your rational plea to look at Hamer from a “maybe we don’t know what’s really happening” was a perspective due a year ago.

As for the “name calling” or “hatred”, that’s a bit exaggerated as a lot of the silly sh!t posted here is tongue firmly in cheek. Your Portal Diary included.
 
#113      
I don’t think we (I) need Indy to tell us what Hamers background is. It was readily available to anyone interested.
I also don’t think any of this is personal hatred.
It’s a fan base seeing an inexperienced kid promoted to a position (and responsibilities) on the staff of a power conference program seeking to elevate itself to a yearly Natty contender.

Many of us here have more than a “fan of basketball” knowledge of the game. Many of us also have eyes.
Our eyes combined with feedback from Insiders tell us a change is absolutely warranted.
Team fan bases are echo chambers by default.
Your rational plea to look at Hamer from a “maybe we don’t know what’s really happening” was a perspective due a year ago.

As for the “name calling” or “hatred”, that’s a bit exaggerated as a lot of the silly sh!t posted here is tongue firmly in cheek. Your Portal Diary included.
Perhaps not… but it often comes off that way.
 
#114      
I don’t think we (I) need Indy to tell us what Hamers background is. It was readily available to anyone interested.
I also don’t think any of this is personal hatred.
It’s a fan base seeing an inexperienced kid promoted to a position (and responsibilities) on the staff of a power conference program seeking to elevate itself to a yearly Natty contender.

Many of us here have more than a “fan of basketball” knowledge of the game. Many of us also have eyes.
Our eyes combined with feedback from Insiders tell us a change is absolutely warranted.
Team fan bases are echo chambers by default.
Your rational plea to look at Hamer from a “maybe we don’t know what’s really happening” was a perspective due a year ago.

As for the “name calling” or “hatred”, that’s a bit exaggerated as a lot of the silly sh!t posted here is tongue firmly in cheek. Your Portal Diary included.
Thanks, Dub. Now for the love of god, will you please go change your filthy, tattered hoodie?
 
#115      
Then you get insulted too easily. No, Hamer is not a household name. You're right, plenty of people might know what he did, however....plenty don't, so don't get your undies in a bunch. It is what it is. It's ok, you'll be fine.

The overall gist of the thread, if you followed it, was that one coach has caught the most heat and it has snowballed since mid season.

With Tim A coming and going, with Chester F coming and going.... don't sit there and tell people that you know how the chain of command was altered and nuanced as they left. You don't.

Am I happy that we have an assistant coach merry-go-round? Absolutely not. Do I know who's rotating in and out, getting promoted, demoted or released? Absolutely not. Is he the architect of our defense? No clue. Does Brad get final say so and require final sign off on all things basketball? I'd assume so and if not, there's the problem. Am I pinning the failures on one coach? No.

Most of us have absolutely no clue what the chain of command is or how practices/coaches sessions are run and that includes you.

The majority of us see the "Fire Hamer" villagers come across on the daily and wonder why he's the target. Indy has some valued insight. I take what he says a lot more into my thought process than what you provide, which based on your response....is nothing. Put the tissues away and reenter the conversation when you can bring some insight versus mud slinging.
 
#116      
I was down on Hamer as soon as I learned that he was responsible for the defense.
 
#118      
Assistant coaches are changing all the time. Ideally they are getting promoted to HC jobs somewhere else. Or if they are good somebody else (KY) steals them. Or if team is not sucessful the HC fires them. Times have changed - HS recruiting is much less important with portal, NIL$, and Europe. HC and AC coaches roles have signficantly changed.

In 2021 We did not want to lose OA, Chin and Gentry.

In 2024 Chester and Tim Anderson left for their own reasons. Tim definitely was not fired since we paid him. Chester resigned to go to WV (closer to is DC roots).

In 2025 we made mistake not replacing Tim Anderson with another senior assistant (budget related?). Brad appears to rely heavily on Ty Underwood for offense and Zach Hamer for defense as opposed to our senior coaches - Geof and Orlando.

As long as it works nobody cares. I was glad to see KY run 5 out offense because I thought we were only ones. I don't think having our players trail over picks really worked. Going over picks to defend the 3 is OK but not if you give up layups. Brad is accountable and he will not get past first weekend unless he fixes it.
 
#119      
Y'all wash your hoodies??? Perhaps if I fell in a ditch, or maybe was a butcher working in a meat-locker, hmmm.... I am in AZ so hoodie = coat. Always have at least one layer under the hoodie, sometimes 2. How often do you all wash your coats??? Any qualified Laundrymen out there?
 
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#120      
I pretty sure players came for OA. Maybe he is the exception. Also looks to me like some players came for TA and Chester.
People come for the Asst Coach ALL THE TIME. Sure the HC will need a relationship too. But the initial foot in the door is because of the influence of the Asst Coach. Chet, TA, OA and Geoff have ALL been the tip of the spear for for almost every recruit we have had!

The HC is who the recruit ultimately tries to impress, so they can play, but a lot of them come because of the ASST relationship.

Which makes it ABSOLUTELY ASININE, that we are not filling in Asst spots with people with existing recruiting ties.

Asinine.
 
#121      
Honestly… anything other than simply taking the word of one person who seems to have an irrational, personal hatred for the guy as gospel. This is an echo chamber on steroids right now and I’d guess that 95 percent of the people commenting — myself included — have no idea what Hamer’s value to the staff, the team and the university truly is.
Could that because there is very little?
 
#122      
I just find the narrative that we in the board are being indoctrinated by insiders (except those smart enough to point it out) very bizarre. I have a long-time friend who is an Illinois alum. Illini hoops fan, but not what I’d call super bball knowledgeable. Never played any organized bball (was a soccer/wrestling guy). He doesn’t frequent the board nor follow Illini MBB on social media. During one of the losses in the bad 3-game stretch, he texted me saying something like Brad has to change this D. They’re terrible. I texted back and said, he doesn’t oversee D. His response was, what, who does? I said Hamer. He asked where he had coached before. I said that as far as I knew he hadn’t actually been a coach anywhere else. His response was WTF.

So my friend can tell D sucks and needs to change and can’t believe a first time coach runs the D with no insider indoctrination. But everyone on here who spend a lot more time on Illinois basketball and are much more knowledgeable than he only figured this out cuz insiders emphasize it? Come on, really?
 
#123      
Honestly… anything other than simply taking the word of one person who seems to have an irrational, personal hatred for the guy as gospel. This is an echo chamber on steroids right now and I’d guess that 95 percent of the people commenting — myself included — have no idea what Hamer’s value to the staff, the team and the university truly is.
Perfectly stated. I am also buried in that 95%.
 
#124      
The HC is who the recruit ultimately tries to impress, so they can play, but a lot of them come because of the ASST relationship.

Which makes it ABSOLUTELY ASININE, that we are not filling in Asst spots with people with existing recruiting ties.

Asinine.

Well… this particular recruit seems to have existing ties to one of our assistants — although it might’ve helped if he’d spelled his name right.

Maybe this is the only recruit out of a hundred who like the guy. Or maybe this board is full of over reactionary posters. Hard to tell, really. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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#125      
He's emulating someone in specific.. I don't know if its a spot in the senate or a partially clothed 24 year old girlfriend that he's angling for.. But there is a role model for his fashion...
 
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