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jamarvelous31
AirTran said:
Don't kid yourself, none of the coaches you mention were as demonstrative as Woody on the sidelines. But they were definitely as defiant with referees, just not as boisterous. As for Woody being abusive of his players or assistants, that's not way most of his former players tell the story. You might want to check out what Brian Baschnagel had to say about Hayes when he was with the Bears. The press ? Well there are a number of NCAA coaches that are dismissive of the press. Abusive? Bobby Knight appears to be the only coach that I can remember being directly abusive to reporters.
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Hayes also punched his own offensive lineman in the incident that got him fired. He also slapped and punched his players. "if he didn't punch you he didn't want to make you better" ages super well...

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As to the press, this is normal...
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AirTran
jamarvelous31 said:
Hayes also punched his own offensive lineman in the incident that got him fired. He also slapped and punched his players. "if he didn't punch you he didn't want to make you better" ages super well...

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As to the press, this is normal...
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Hear you - but I think you were referring to sports reporters not camera men (side line aspects) and I stand by what his former players remember him as. What was acceptable in the '60s and '70s is not acceptable today. But I don't see any of his former players calling him abusive.
 
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Grandpa
Hear you - but I think you were referring to sports reporters not camera men (side line aspects) and I stand by what his former players remember him as. What was acceptable in the '60s and '70s is not acceptable today. But I don't see any of his former players calling him abusive.
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Battered wife syndrome. Embarrassment that they let themselves be beat. Embarrassment that they were dumb enough to play for him.

Someone who punches people on a consistent basis is abusive. Please don't try to justify it, there are vulnerable people reading.
 
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jamarvelous31
AirTran said:
Hear you - but I think you were referring to sports reporters not camera men (side line aspects) and I stand by what his former players remember him as. What was acceptable in the '60s and '70s is not acceptable today. But I don't see any of his former players calling him abusive.
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How do you read "punched the brother of a journalist by mistake over a tough question" and "used to punch me in the stomach and slap me in the face" and not say that's abuse? Joe Paterno's players stand by him, should that player support really be the measuring stick?

History books are littered with things that were iffy at the time and can now comfortably be said were bad. Just because tOSU created a culture where punching student athletes was an acceptable trade for wins doesn't mean that he wasn't a bad guy and that we shouldn't look to celebrate folks that did it the right way instead.
 
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AirTran
jamarvelous31 said:
How do you read "punched the brother of a journalist by mistake over a tough question" and "used to punch me in the stomach and slap me in the face" and not say that's abuse? Joe Paterno's players stand by him, should that player support really be the measuring stick?

History books are littered with things that were iffy at the time and can now comfortably be said were bad. Just because tOSU created a culture where punching student athletes was an acceptable trade for wins doesn't mean that he wasn't a bad guy and that we shouldn't look to celebrate folks that did it the right way instead.
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Understood - but let's not rewrite the history books
 
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