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TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
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More different? I can't see why anyone would think that they were more alike back in the days when there was no salary and, no ability to easily change schools. Comparisons to Lovie don't even make much sense. I think Lovie would have been much more successful under this scheme than he was under the old.
Yes, you have to build relationships. But look at all the deals being done without long term relationships. Gone are the days where you had to reach a kid in his sophomore year to have a chance at him. Now you can reach him the summer before his senior year with a nice size check and close the gap.
I don't think he'll be successful. But NIL and the transfer rules makes his chances much much better.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Man, that feels like full circle on an entire epoch of college football.
Pitt 13 WVU 9, a nuclear blast that reverberated out to the ends of the known universe and now has wound all the way back.
ah we get to say Dick Rod again. The world seems right.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I'll be stunned if this doesn't fail.
This is the Phil Jackson Knicks of football.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
I don't know. $20M can buy a lot of 5 stars. Imagine Belichick with OSU's roster.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
North Carolina Football as an apex predator financially is very much an "I'll believe it when I see it" proposition. It will help a lot of they can do it, of course.
But the Belichick-Lombardi combo screams "we'll teach these whippersnappers that there's nothing in football that the 1994 Cleveland Browns didn't know".
Meanwhile the defensive coordinator of the 1994 Cleveland Browns just quit his reign of terror over college football because the game increasingly just wasn't for him anymore.
What's so great about Bret Bielema is that he combines a total fluency and grounding in the principles and fundamentals that have produced winning major college football in the Midwest his entire life with a sincere commitment and flexibility to embrace the possibilities of every new change that comes along.
What UNC is building seems like it's going to flunk both halves of that equation.
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I will say Bill still has an unbelievable drive and passion for coaching not just to collect a paycheck unlike well.....nevermind
Going to win a lot of games 3-0. I have no confidence Belichick can assemble a staff and effectively run an offense in todays game. He's going to have some Matt Patricia Brian Ferentz looking OC out there.
I think his success depends on what kind of staff he can build. For such a great football mind that keeps up with trends and analytics, he still insulates himself with the same circle of coaches that leads to stale thinking...McDaniels, Patricia, his son
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
The question is whether the $20 million is going to be separate from House. If it's including the pending jump from House, then this is barely an increase of their current status. If it's separate from their pending House money, then this will be a monster at or above the level of a Texas or Ohio State. That's why I'm skeptical of that report.
+1 on this. If Zook would have hired a great staff and just buried himself into only recruiting, he may still be at Illinois. Not comparing him to Belichick but you need a great "college" staff. Something BB fully understands.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
His initial staff was a murderer's row OF RECRUITERS though, and as soon as that staff fell apart because of its coaching deficiencies, Zook's recruiting fell off a cliff.
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
Zook pulled this off from 2005-2008. That initial staff was excellent. Then the coordinators left, Zook couldn't adequately replace them, and the recruiting declined.
1m4tr
Cliffmas
I’m reading (Premium IC account) that the $20m includes the House settlement. Jordan Brand is going to increase their contribution as part of that total.
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
Great insight, then I do not consider this increase that much beyond lip service.
1m4tr
Cliffmas
Agreed. Hiring Lombardi has received mixed comments over on IC. The negatives pointing out he was only an NFL GM for 1 year and was promptly canned.
In choosing UNC, Bill Belichick chose himself
Without an ideal NFL situation available, Bill Belichick decides to shake up the college football world.
According to this report he's been meeting weekly with that same circle of coaches, planning his next move. So, yeah, looks likely to be insulated with that same group. Would not be shocked if a healthy portion of his hires are drawn directly from that pool (he already hired Lombardi who is part of that group, so yeah).
He can't afford to hire an NFL staff, is the feeling I'm getting. But we'll see if he becomes the new destination for coaches to re-hab their reputations while preaching his system. But I don't think his 'system' is going to win a lot of college games.
Bill's complaint about the 'politics' of the NFL is just his way of saying he wants complete control and nobody but UNC was offering it. I feel like Bill's system stopped working in the NFL, and a lot of his success turns out to have been Brady. Which is why Tampa has a SB more recently than Bill does. And I don't expect teenagers to miss that point, or his nepo-dependence.
Bill's complaint about the 'politics' of the NFL is just his way of saying he wants complete control and nobody but UNC was offering it. I feel like Bill's system stopped working in the NFL, and a lot of his success turns out to have been Brady. Which is why Tampa has a SB more recently than Bill does. And I don't expect teenagers to miss that point, or his nepo-dependence.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
Someone needs to do a deep "geopolitical" analysis of UNC. To be successful, they must make the playoff. The easiest to do this is to make and win the conference title game in this conference
Though there are some rising powers with Louisville and maybe Georgia Tech, this isn't the worse P4 conference to try to win. Heck Belichick being a dinosaur isn't so bad when two of top teams in your conference is coached by Dimetrodon Swinney and Anomalocaris Cristobal.
Though there are some rising powers with Louisville and maybe Georgia Tech, this isn't the worse P4 conference to try to win. Heck Belichick being a dinosaur isn't so bad when two of top teams in your conference is coached by Dimetrodon Swinney and Anomalocaris Cristobal.
Mike Lombardi sucks. His entire personality is that he knew Bill Walsh and knows Bill Belichick.
As alluded to above, I think it's much more likely they try to coach up a buncha kids who #lovefootball than it is that they use that $20 mil to steal recruits the SEC.
Best case scenario with that approach would be going like 37-27 over the 5 years of the contract....which is exactly their record over the last 5 years.
As alluded to above, I think it's much more likely they try to coach up a buncha kids who #lovefootball than it is that they use that $20 mil to steal recruits the SEC.
Best case scenario with that approach would be going like 37-27 over the 5 years of the contract....which is exactly their record over the last 5 years.
Offensive did (Locksley), but the defensive ones were still there. And then came the doozy of a 2009 season.
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