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jamarvelous31
OrangeBlue98 said:
I’d love to have listened to those discussions. I’m guessing Wisconsin is biding its time before moving on with a new coach and a new AD.
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The wild thing is that folks keep pointing to the number of major openings and limited candidates this year as a reason to wait.

This assumes that it won't become the new norm... Dabo, Sarkisian, Diaz, Moore, Riley, Norvell and Venables will all have varying hot seats, Lanning & Freeman could go NFL, and all arguably be gone next year.
 
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altgeld88
Illinir1 said:
South Carolina (3-6 overall, 1-6 SEC) fires Offensive Coordinator, Mike Shula

Edit: Just saw this news lead the thread. My bad.
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altgeld88 said:
I didn’t pursue that as we were on to other matter. I believe he said that the communication among the line is poor. The players are responsible for that and secondarily of course the coaches.
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I'll add that I believe my USC-alum colleague was getting at the fact that in the current environment of effective one-year contracts for high-skilled talent you really don't know what you'll end up with in a team unit like the OL until the rubber hits the road in September. Then, if the guys don't work well together as a HC you depend on the line coach to sort it. Then the OC. Then you have to step in as HC among all your other CEO duties. We've seen how that works this season, both with the OL early and then the entire D.

My colleague's point was that it's a crap shoot. Perhaps an HC can sort out a bad situation (as BB has done to a large degree.) Perhaps not. Maybe it's because Shane Beamer isn't the HC that Bret is. But then again maybe he is and is just in a terrible situation this season that will improve next season. That led to my analogy to the Forrest Gump box of chocolates. And (someone else noted it after my original comment yesterday) probably firing Shane Beamer, or tacitly encouraging him to look elsewhere, is an unwise move for USC's AD and donors under the circumstances

That was the gist of our conversation @Dkayak. Neither my colleague nor I (via my initial comment on the topic above) was implying that the HC isn't responsible for the team's problems. He self-evidently is: he's the HC. It's simply that in the current environment he sometimes must reconstruct the foundational units of the O and D in the off-season via transfers, does his best to guess how the unit will work together, and then has a he!! of a time solving problems in-season when his position coaches and coordinators can't or won't. The days of having a core of, say, four guys on the OL at all times who have played together for multiple seasons seems over for now. And firing your OC in early November indicates a fairly dire sitch.

My conclusion from our conversation in the office on Wednesday: I'm glad to be an Illini; there but for the grace of God go we this, or any subsequent, season.
 
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OrangeBlue98
It may very well be, but I don’t think anyone knows that with any certainty yet.
 
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ugottabjoshinme
James Franklin is interesting. I don't see him getting the top SEC jobs (LSU and Florida). He could go to the ACC to a place like Va Tech. There are a couple of recent history good programs in the BIG (MSU and Wisky) who don't appear to have the coach of the future, and he would be an instant upgrade. Michigan State in particular feels like it would be a really good fit.
 
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jamarvelous31
Iamgroot said:
www.usatoday.com

Josh Heupel, leave Tennessee and the posse behind. Head to Penn State

Josh Heupel, set your phone to ring. Turn up the volume. If someone calls from Penn State, answer. Leave behind the Tennessee posse.
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Author says PSU & Tenn are two sides of the same coin...I'd say Heupel and Franklin are the same. He's blessed to have faced over ranked OU & Clemson teams and beat one of Saban's worst teams...otherwise he'd have the same record as Franklin in the top 10.

Heupel's offense is all about out athleting folks. If competent coaches are at tOSU, USC, Oregon and UM he's going to have 3 losses every year like Franklin.
 
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PleaseMakeABowlGame
jamarvelous31 said:
Author says PSU & Tenn are two sides of the same coin...I'd say Heupel and Franklin are the same. He's blessed to have faced over ranked OU & Clemson teams and beat one of Saban's worst teams...otherwise he'd have the same record as Franklin in the top 10.

Heupel's offense is all about out athleting folks. If competent coaches are at tOSU, USC, Oregon and UM he's going to have 3 losses every year like Franklin.
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Truth is that its very unlikely you'll find someone THAT much better than franklin.
 
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TentakilRex
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Iamgroot
jamarvelous31 said:
Author says PSU & Tenn are two sides of the same coin...I'd say Heupel and Franklin are the same. He's blessed to have faced over ranked OU & Clemson teams and beat one of Saban's worst teams...otherwise he'd have the same record as Franklin in the top 10.

Heupel's offense is all about out athleting folks. If competent coaches are at tOSU, USC, Oregon and UM he's going to have 3 losses every year like Franklin.
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Truthfully im not his biggest fan none of his qb hes produced that went to the NFL that I can think of haven't done anything. However i do got to say with cignetti off the market I really cant think of a truly better hire then Franklin especially with Florida and the other teams with open vacancies maybe Kelly can but there's a reason hes still not coach at Lsu
 
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pruman91
Dkayak said:
Interesting. Then who is accountable, if not the head coach?
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naturally its BB's fault for embarrassing low beams beamer so much in our bowl game victory over them......our win deflated low beams so bad that his confidence is gone in himself and his team......

it really really is ............ JMHO.....
 
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