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#676      
You have been taking L’s left and right. First it was the faulty recruiting rankings graphic yesterday and now this. Wanna take a guess where Indiana sourced most of those picks from…. The portal!!!

If you have the right coaches in place and use the portal correctly you can overcome large talent gaps. Shocking!!!
Why are you moving the goalposts?

This original conversation started because you said Henry cost us the playoffs last year, which is factually untrue.

How we’re going to perform next year is a different conversation entirely.

I, too, am concerned about our defense next year.
 
#677      
From the articles I've read he was described as a offensive coach his team averaged 41 ppg this season not 1 mention of him defensive play calling even there defense as a whole.Grant it its early I imagine the hype machine will put things out there but as far as I could find theres not much if anything about his defensive prowess.I truly hope im wrong but has me wondering as a fan of the beloved how committed we are to winning in football
I was reading through this thread and saw this, so I thought I would provide some information. Bobby is historically a defensive coach. He came up coaching on the defensive side of the ball and Special Teams under Rick Neuheisal. He has always been more defensively minded, and was famously in favor of very conservative offenses. After his time at SDSU, he brought the VERY aggressive 3-3-5 defense that he had learned there. Hauck always had a DC calling plays, but he was the one teaching them the system and philosophy. None of his DC's had coached the 3-3-5 before, so Hauck was the primary mind and driver behind that unit even if he wasn't calling plays.

He is famously organized and in control of small details, and it would be an error to believe he wasn't in the DC's ear constantly telling them which direction they should be going with the game.

I'm not sure what articles described him as an offensive coach, but he has absolutely never been known for his offensive philosophies.

I think you folks made a great hire, for the record.
 
#678      
Comparing Petersen situation to A Hen situation is like Apples and Oranges …

Bret known Henry since he was 17 … Like family … It was never an option to just can him like Petersen …
I mean, of course it's an option. We're not running a charity here, and failure to maximize the impact of these multimillion dollar positions puts Bret's own position at risk over time. You don't hire someone you're not willing to fire, period, that's the gig.

I think what's missing from this discussion is the notion that retaining the defensive staff until after the portal deadline passed likely reduced the outflow of players on that side of the ball, but the length of time it has taken to shake out has definitely put us on the back foot.

If the defensive situation craters next year questions are going to be asked about how all of this was handled, that much I certainly agree with.

Maybe it could have been worse but it was no where near the level of consistency we need in every game to think about making the playoffs. We just wasted 2 years of a great quarterback that held up his side of things only to be let down by an inconsistent sometimes terrible defense. Getting rid of Henry was a must no matter how things play out.
It breaks my heart to see an Illini fan refer to the most wins over a two year stretch in the history of the program as a "waste". I do not care about getting blown out in Tuscaloosa as an 11 seed, and if this is what the sport becomes it is a national tragedy.

Everybody on both sides of the ball who has been a part of what we've done the last two years should hold their heads high. We are going to look back on these years enviously, I promise you.
 
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#679      
Who can say the other coach would have brought in better players? Who can say their system would have been better?

None of this “if” discussion matters because it’s all conjecture. “If” people are upset about how Bielema handled the situation, that’s fine, but hindsight is 20/20. Do you want someone else running the program?

I’m pretty happy with where we are as a program and I’d personally like to avoid going back to the Beckman/Lovie era. Bret’s a human, he’s not infallible and to expect that isn’t reality. I’m glad Whitman is our AD, but he hired Lovie. We all make mistakes.
I don't disagree with a single thing in the bolded. I have criticized our former DC who was just fired.

There seem to be a lot of people who think if you are critical of the program then you aren't an Illinois fan
 
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#681      
I was reading through this thread and saw this, so I thought I would provide some information. Bobby is historically a defensive coach. He came up coaching on the defensive side of the ball and Special Teams under Rick Neuheisal. He has always been more defensively minded, and was famously in favor of very conservative offenses. After his time at SDSU, he brought the VERY aggressive 3-3-5 defense that he had learned there. Hauck always had a DC calling plays, but he was the one teaching them the system and philosophy. None of his DC's had coached the 3-3-5 before, so Hauck was the primary mind and driver behind that unit even if he wasn't calling plays.

He is famously organized and in control of small details, and it would be an error to believe he wasn't in the DC's ear constantly telling them which direction they should be going with the game.

I'm not sure what articles described him as an offensive coach, but he has absolutely never been known for his offensive philosophies.

I think you folks made a great hire, for the record.
Thanks for the info, and for your post here!

I'm particularly happy to hear the bolded line above. It seems that the most effective coaches have that characteristic in common.
 
#683      
Here are my thoughts nobody asked for, please feel free to disregard!:

1. This team did not have playoff level talent on either side of the ball, let's not kid ourselves. Of the 4 games we lost, you can chalk one up to defense exclusively - Washington. Against IU, OSU, and Wisconsin, our offense wasn't winning us that game even if our defense played up to it's fullest potential. Henry did not cost us a playoff appearance, and if you think he did, I'm not sure you were watching. I'd even say the defense played well enough for us to win the OSU game, and the offense was the culprit in that one.

2. At the same time, Henry was in over his head. There's a wide gulf between "defense should have been better" and "defense cost us the playoff" and we lived somewhere in that gulf this past season. Not sure if we've put ourselves in a better spot or not this offseason. I think this is where some humility maybe comes in, and we as a fanbase say "guess we'll just have to see!"

3. The Talent Composite is probably the single dumbest thing 247 has ever put out, and everyone needs to stop citing it. It's 100% based on prep recruiting ratings. It does not account for development at all. This past season, players that dragged our score down in the Talent Composite included Hank Beatty, Matthew Bailey, Xavier Scott, and Gabe Jacas.

Amongst the problems with the Talent Composite is that, even for transfers, it uses way outdated prep ratings. So Fernando Mendoza, who received a 93 transfer rating from 247, good for a top 25 overall transfer and the #4 transfer QB when Indiana got him, looks like this in the Talent Composite:

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In fact, IU would have looked a lot better in the Talent Composite if they'd passed on Mendoza and brought in Ethan Hampton as their starting QB instead:

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And look, transfer ratings are not perfect, but common sense dictates that going into this season Fernando Mendoza was a more talented player than Ethan Hampton. Another fun stat is that Northwestern had three different QBs on its roster that the Talent Composite liked more than Mendoza. Again, Mendoza had more "talent" in his non-throwing pinky than Northwestern had in their entire QB room. Anyone trying to draw any conclusion from these Talent Composite ratings is off the mark. It's just plain bad data. Any conclusion drawn from it is flawed.
 
#686      
I was reading through this thread and saw this, so I thought I would provide some information. Bobby is historically a defensive coach. He came up coaching on the defensive side of the ball and Special Teams under Rick Neuheisal. He has always been more defensively minded, and was famously in favor of very conservative offenses. After his time at SDSU, he brought the VERY aggressive 3-3-5 defense that he had learned there. Hauck always had a DC calling plays, but he was the one teaching them the system and philosophy. None of his DC's had coached the 3-3-5 before, so Hauck was the primary mind and driver behind that unit even if he wasn't calling plays.

He is famously organized and in control of small details, and it would be an error to believe he wasn't in the DC's ear constantly telling them which direction they should be going with the game.

I'm not sure what articles described him as an offensive coach, but he has absolutely never been known for his offensive philosophies.

I think you folks made a great hire, for the record.
Great Information Thanks
 
#687      
Thanks for the info, and for your post here!

I'm particularly happy to hear the bolded line above. It seems that the most effective coaches have that characteristic in common.
My pleasure. There was a great article written years ago by the Athletic Director that first hired him at Montana in 2002 to be the Head Coach at Montana during his first stint, where he built a monster that dominated the conference in an unheard of way. I will link the article with the paywall removed, but include a quote that I think highlights the above, bolded portion very well.

The "golden boy" candidate that Hauck ended up beating out for the job was Brian Kelley. Its a good article in general.


"The Sea-Tac interviews were going along pretty much as expected, the candidates getting two or three hours with our impromptu committee, fielding questions and expounding on their vision for Grizzly Football. Then, it happened. Bobby Hauck happened.

Missoula attorney David Paoli, who had become my most trusted friend and advisor among the local voices in Montana, and Dave Guffey, my veteran PR man, who came closer to speaking the language of an old sports information director (which I was) than anyone, were in the room.

The three of us were about to be mesmerized, utterly and completely gobsmacked over the next three hours. To say that Hauck was prepared, both for this interview and to become our head coach, would be an understatement the size of the state of Montana.

Bluntly, I have sat through dozens of interviews in my career, but I have never, ever been involved in an interview like Bobby’s, before or since. He offered the names of everyone he would bring in as assistant coaches and said he had commitments from each to join him.

He talked about his practice strategy and schedules, talked about his academic plan, talked about strength training and discipline, talked about scheduling philosophy, and then gave a 30-minute tutorial on recruiting that should be encapsulated for coaches everywhere. To cap it off, It was all in written material in a bound book which he left with us.


When Hauck left, Hogan, Paoli and Guffey just sat in silence if not awe. The gravity of what we had just witnessed was pretty overwhelming. Suddenly, the smug athletic director (me) with a sinister plan and a hidden golden boy to be interviewed the next day was reduced to intense self doubt."
 
#688      
And, just for the record before I head out for the weekend, Ronnie Bradford is a freaking stud. His time with Missoula under Hauck produced possibly the best defenses the Grizzlies had ever had. The pair led the Griz to the national title game in 2023 (FCS, obviously, but still). Bradford's time with the Griz was characterized by top notch DB play and innovative adjustments in the defensive backfield. Truthfully, I was personally hoping he would be brought in as the Griz head coach when Bobby was done. Bradford will also be a great addition to your staff, and I'd keep an eye on him as the next DC if all goes well. He has the potential to be a very good to great college head coach, in my opinion.
 
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#692      
Dude, this wasn’t a playoff team and it had very little to do with Henry was on the staff.

This team was ranked #64 in the talent composite rankings. Ohio St had (11) 5 stars and (56) 4 stars. We had (0) 5 stars and (7) 4 stars. The talent differential between the playoff teams and our team was massive. Northwestern had more 4 stars than us.

The fact that the #64 ranked team in talent ended the season #26 in the AP poll, #25 in the coaches poll, and #25 in SP+ is an overachievement, not an underachievement.

Feel free to warn everyone of the impending Illinois football apocalypse, but don’t try to paint the most successful two year stretch in Illinois football history as anything but a massive success.
Don't mention the talent ranking ratings to Cignetti and Indiana. If you're just going by that they shouldn't have been anywhere near the championship.
 
#694      
Transfer Portal rankings don’t matter. Everyone you get out the Portal is not going to hit . Here is a list of players that Illinois got out the Transfer Portal under Bret that were Busts Or Winners. 2021 Transfer Portal Bust: Calvin Hart NCState, Max Rosenthal MichSt, Jafar Armstrong, Notre Dame,Eddie Smith Alabama. 2021 Transfer Portal Winners: Arthur Sitkowski Rutgers, Alec Bryant Virginia Tech. 2022 Transfer Portal Bust: Raashaan Wilkins Vanderbilt, Solomon Turner Hawaii, Kody Case South Dakota , Jonah Morris Northern Colorado. 2022 Transfer Portal players Winners :Terah Edwards Northwestern, Tommy DeVito Syracuse. 2023 Transfer Portal Bust: Nicario Harper Louisville , Clayton Bush Washington State, Demetrius Hill FIU 2023 Transfer Portal Winners: Tanner Arkin Colorado State, Luke Altmeyer Ole Miss,Denzel Daxson Ohio,John Paddock Ball State. 2024 Transfer Portal Bust: Terrance Brooks Texas ,Kevin Wigenton Mich State, Anthony Johnson Youngstown, Enyce Sledge Auburn ,Cole Rusk Murray State. 2024 Transfer Portal Winners: JC Davis New Mexico, Melvin Priestly Gramling , Dennis Briggs Jr Florida State, Ethan Moczulski Texas A&M, Torrie Cox Jr Ohio, Gentle Hunt Florida A&M, Zakhari Franklin Ole Miss, Carson Goda 2025 Transfer Portal Bust: Tyler McMillan SEMO . The book is still out on the the rest of the 2025 Transfer Portal class
 
#695      
Microcosm of Board life...took less than 24 hours. Both sides argue, both sides tell the other to pipe down, both sides cheer the 1st Amendment.

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Telling someone to pipe down is a very sorry excuse for debate, but it is also a form of speech protected by the 1st Amendment. Which means that the government can't curtail it (Dan can, by the way, as he is not the government). It does not mean that it can't be criticized. Any of this, including this very reply you are reading right now, can be criticized, cheered, mocked, liked, scolded. All of those responses are also free speech!
 
#696      
I still think what players we’ve retained the past 2 seasons have been more important than what we have or haven’t brought in the transfer portal..just my take on the transfer portal rankings
 
#697      
Transfer Portal rankings don’t matter. Everyone you get out the Portal is not going to hit . Here is a list of players that Illinois got out the Transfer Portal under Bret that were Busts Or Winners. 2021 Transfer Portal Bust: Calvin Hart NCState, Max Rosenthal MichSt, Jafar Armstrong, Notre Dame,Eddie Smith Alabama. 2021 Transfer Portal Winners: Arthur Sitkowski Rutgers, Alec Bryant Virginia Tech. 2022 Transfer Portal Bust: Raashaan Wilkins Vanderbilt, Solomon Turner Hawaii, Kody Case South Dakota , Jonah Morris Northern Colorado. 2022 Transfer Portal players Winners :Terah Edwards Northwestern, Tommy DeVito Syracuse. 2023 Transfer Portal Bust: Nicario Harper Louisville , Clayton Bush Washington State, Demetrius Hill FIU 2023 Transfer Portal Winners: Tanner Arkin Colorado State, Luke Altmeyer Ole Miss,Denzel Daxson Ohio,John Paddock Ball State. 2024 Transfer Portal Bust: Terrance Brooks Texas ,Kevin Wigenton Mich State, Anthony Johnson Youngstown, Enyce Sledge Auburn ,Cole Rusk Murray State. 2024 Transfer Portal Winners: JC Davis New Mexico, Melvin Priestly Gramling , Dennis Briggs Jr Florida State, Ethan Moczulski Texas A&M, Torrie Cox Jr Ohio, Gentle Hunt Florida A&M, Zakhari Franklin Ole Miss, Carson Goda 2025 Transfer Portal Bust: Tyler McMillan SEMO . The book is still out on the the rest of the 2025 Transfer Portal class
2025 Transfer Portal winners Eli Coenen, James Thompson Jr, Wisconsin, Justin Bowick, Ball State, Hudson Clement West Virginia, Curt Neal Wisconsin, Tomiwa Durojaiye Florida State, Leon Lowery Jr Wisconsin
 
#699      
Either the 20 coaches/agents that I talked too ... A couple people in the Seahawks Organization ... And also the entire national media were all just clueless and led to believe something that wasn't true and Chris Partridge himself went along with it ...

OR ...

Bret is putting a little spin on things so that he can make himself, the program and Hauck look good ... Which I have no problem with ...

But I will let everyone decide what really happened ...

Plenty of smoke out there that Partridge was the top target or one of the top targets. I expect lies at a press conference for image reasons, so it's not a biggie.
 
#700      
Either the 20 coaches/agents that I talked too ... A couple people in the Seahawks Organization ... And also the entire national media were all just clueless and led to believe something that wasn't true and Chris Partridge himself went along with it ...

OR ...

Bret is putting a little spin on things so that he can make himself, the program and Hauck look good ... Which I have no problem with ...

But I will let everyone decide what really happened ...

Obviously BB isn’t going to say Hauck wasn’t his top guy. I don’t blame him for trying to dress it up and make it seem like he went out and got his guy. It looks a lot worse to a fan base if he said yeah my top target backed out at the last minute and I had to scramble to find someone.
 
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