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touper

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'burbs
touper
DaChief4ever said:
Why the hasty exit from Illinois?
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Great question. Seems to be two camps on this one. Those "in the know" that decline to share publicly and the rest of us. If those "in the know" have only rumor and speculation I respect not spreading that. If they have concrete facts, I'm curious as to why they choose not to share. This topic has been skirted around a few times over the months... just my two cents.
 
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TCTORNADO

TCTORNADO
TCTORNADO
NJILLINI said:
I have no idea what Dee did in Champaign that caused him to leave his post. But how is it that some here are saying he will "never be back in Champaign" based on, I am assuming, whatever transgressions occurred but he is able to secure a job at a sister State of Illinois-funded institution? Seems like if it was that bad he wouldn't be able to get a job at UIC, either.

Don't get me wrong. I love Dee Brown and hope that someday he coaches the Illini -- either as an assistant or the head man. But I have to believe the staff at UIC knows the real story. As such, this whole saga seems very odd to me.
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It will even get odder when he ends up with Self.
 
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jmilt7

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Waukegan
jmilt7
bigtiny said:
My timeline for Dee:

- Help Lead UIC back to respect - 3 years
- Assistant coach for a survived and resurgent Weber at K-State - 6 years
(culminating in Big 12 tourney win over Kansas in Year 5, and an outright championship over Kansas in Year 6)
- Land head gig at say Utah or Mississippi State, turn program around make tourney and win there - 2 years
- Come home and coach Illinois after BU's retirement. Get that NC he missed as a player (the second after Brad Underwood's first for Illinois), stay until a happy retirement and bronze statue is made, one side with him poppin' Illinois as a player, another with his clipboard as a coach.
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Da#$, I'll probably be dead by then.
 
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OldGreg

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OldGreg
Andy Kaufman said:
Dee's departure from Champaign is still shrouded in mystery. I suspect some here may know the true reason. I only hope it was something he needed to do for himself or his family and not a disagreement or broken promise. The way I feel, he's welcome back at the time of his choosing for any position he is qualified.
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So we can just get this out of the way, from what I heard and gathered, he was tending to gardens that were not his to tend to...if you catch my drift
 
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ChiefIllini

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ChiefIllini
I read somewhere that the reason the all time great players dont typically do well coaching is because their work ethic and team expectations are so high they either burn out or get thrown out. It makes sense if you think of what it takes to become a HOF player and you'd expect your team to do nothing less.
 
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Tevo

Tevo
Wilmette, IL
Tevo
NScale said:
Name me a big time college coach who was a big time college player.
And don't say Steve Alford.
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Depends on your definition of "Big Time" but Lon Kruger was two-time Big Eight player of the year, and is the only coach to ever win NCAA tournament games with 5 different teams, including Final Fours with two.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
Ransom Stoddard
Tevo said:
Depends on your definition of "Big Time" but Lon Kruger was two-time Big Eight player of the year, and is the only coach to ever win NCAA tournament games with 5 different teams, including Final Fours with two.
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Coach K was no slouch of a player at Army.
Boeheim was good enough as a player at SU to play in the ABL
Pitino is #10 all time in assists at UMass
But those 3 are old, old guard coaches


Kevin Ollie may not be "big time" yet....
Bobby Hurley
Danny Manning
Chris Mullin
Lorenzo Romar


but again, it depends on what your definition of "big time" is.
 
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ChazzReinhold

ChazzReinhold
Mom! The Meatloaf!
ChazzReinhold
ChiefIllini said:
I read somewhere that the reason the all time great players dont typically do well coaching is because their work ethic and team expectations are so high they either burn out or get thrown out. It makes sense if you think of what it takes to become a HOF player and you'd expect your team to do nothing less.
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John Wooden was a 3 time All-American
 
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geneseo

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geneseo
Not a college coach that I know of, but Jerry Sloan was a pretty good player and coach.
 
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kcib8130

kcib8130
Parts Unknown
kcib8130
Ransom Stoddard said:
Kevin Ollie may not be "big time" yet....
Bobby Hurley
Danny Manning
Chris Mullin
Lorenzo Romar


but again, it depends on what your definition of "big time" is.
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Not sure how Ollie isn't big time and the others you listed would be. Romar would be closest.
 
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NScale

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NScale
ChiefIllini said:
I read somewhere that the reason the all time great players dont typically do well coaching is because their work ethic and team expectations are so high they either burn out or get thrown out. It makes sense if you think of what it takes to become a HOF player and you'd expect your team to do nothing less.
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OTOH, there's the saying, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Many great players have no idea how it is that they can do what they do. Thus they cannot teach others how it is done. The other aspect is, an assistant coaches job especially in college is the worst job you can get. Meager pay, ridiculous hours, on the road recruiting, carrying lots of clipboards, doing things the HC's way. New wife and young kids at home. Tough life. A player's life is nothing like that.
 
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HR217

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HR217
NScale said:
OTOH, there's the saying, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Many great players have no idea how it is that they can do what they do. Thus they cannot teach others how it is done. The other aspect is, an assistant coaches job especially in college is the worst job you can get. Meager pay, ridiculous hours, on the road recruiting, carrying lots of clipboards, doing things the HC's way. New wife and young kids at home. Tough life. A player's life is nothing like that.
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"Those who cant teach, teach gym."
 
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Illini Parent14

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Illini Parent14
ChazzReinhold said:
John Wooden was a 3 time All-American
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Not only was he a 3 time All American, John Wooden was a high school legend before he enrolled at Purdue. Most importantly for this discussion, John Wooden was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1960 which was 4 years before he won his first NCAA Championship at UCLA.
 
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Tevo

Tevo
Wilmette, IL
Tevo
Illini Parent14 said:
Not only was he a 3 time All American, John Wooden was a high school legend before he enrolled at Purdue. Most importantly for this discussion, John Wooden was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1960 which was 4 years before he won his first NCAA Championship at UCLA.
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Did they ever update his plaque?
 
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DaChief4ever

D
Urbana
DaChief4ever
touper said:
Great question. Seems to be two camps on this one. Those "in the know" that decline to share publicly and the rest of us. If those "in the know" have only rumor and speculation I respect not spreading that. If they have concrete facts, I'm curious as to why they choose not to share. This topic has been skirted around a few times over the months... just my two cents.
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Good point....we always gotta do this " walk through the mud", drag out, hold on...till at long last the truth appears for the masses. If it's nothing sinister....say so.