Has that ship sailed? Did they ever talk? Brohm and Purdue denied ever being contacted. I wonder if he would bolt for Tennessee if the price is right.
Coaching Carousel
Has that ship sailed? Did they ever talk? Brohm and Purdue denied ever being contacted. I wonder if he would bolt for Tennessee if the price is right.
Dan
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Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU for Texas A&M
https://www.tomahawknation.com/2017...her-texas-am-florida-state-fsu-coach-saturday
https://www.tomahawknation.com/2017...her-texas-am-florida-state-fsu-coach-saturday
This might be the craziest coaching carousel ever.....holy...
Dren1
- Glenview, IL
I would be on the bar stool right next to you.
Tennessee is certainly the craziest individual search I've ever seen.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Fulmer appointing himself HC seems like the next logical progression in a completely illogical progression of events.
Ubermensch
BOOM! Feed my ego.
eace:I think Currie was the guy who told Fulmer he was no longer employed by Tennessee. Now Fulmer just took his job.
Dan
Admin
Source: Scott Frost has agreed to 7-year, $35 million deal with Nebraska, but in days leading up today’s AAC title game was still having some “serious cold feet & remorse.” @LarsAnderson71 previously reported contract figures
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937054754340995073
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937054754340995073
Dan
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Herm Edwards officially named coach at Arizona State
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937533083640885248
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/937533083640885248
How is this much different than say... The Lovie hire?!
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Funny you should say that.
On ESPN, David Pollack and Greg McElroy were discussing the hire, and McElroy actually cited Lovie Smith and Illinois as an example of a school getting too cute with the hire rather than going out and getting a proven COLLEGE coach.
He called the Lovie Smith situation at Illinois a "disaster".
Now, we can disagree with that characterization and nuance his 5-19 record by citing youth and injuries and whatnot, but that's the perception. I hear it all the time at work, for example. People ask why we didn't hire PJ Fleck instead. I happen to agree with them, but obviously I'm rooting hard for Lovie.
Not a fan of the hire for ASU. It's a "buzz" hire more than anything. That's great for generating headlines, but is it the best fit to coach a college program for the long haul? I would argue "no".
Hm, Lovie and Herm seem to be very different.
Lovie had 13 consecutive years of coaching in the college level before making the jump to the pros. Lovie last coached in college in 1995.
Herm had 3 years and hasn't coached college level since 1989.
On top of this Lovie went from the Bucs right to Illinois. Herm, however has been out of coaching since 2008.
Not directed at you, but "They are both ex-NFL coaches therefore it's the exact same" slant is a bit lazy, and very misleading.
I still believe that Lovie will be successful; I can't say I would feel the same about Herm if I was an ASU fan.
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Right, it's not a perfectly analogous situation. But Lovie was never a head coach in college, and never even a coordinator. He jumped around from school to school, usually coaching either LBs or DBs.
I think it would be fair to say that Lovie is primarily an NFL guy, and I think that's what is driving the comparison. Of course, I think Pete Carroll was always primarily an NFL guy, too. And he had insane success in college. But Lovie isn't Pete Carroll.....
Still think Lovie made more sense than Herm Edwards. Particularly when you consider that Illinois has been in the dumps and needed a splash hire, whereas ASU has good football tradition and didn't necessarily need to gamble like this.
BZuppke
- Plainfield
I don’t know if Lovie will get us to the promised land but I feel very confident he’ll build a stable program that is much more competitive and a better situation for the next guy at the least. You know he’s building a defense. With a great defense you should be at least mid range Big Ten competitive and maybe more.
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Hey, I'm a guy that believes going 7-5 on a fairly regular basis is "good enough". I'd settle for 8 wins every other year -- or even every third year.
So in the grand scheme of things, my bar is fairly low. If Illinois football can resemble NC State or Texas Tech or Ole Miss, I'd be pretty happy. I'll confess my fear that I don't think Lovie gets us there, though.
BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
So now BOTH my alma maters have former respected NFL coaches leading them. What are the chances? Wild.
BIG difference between what Herm is walking into and what Lovie walked into, though. The cupboard is not bare at ASU. There will be some good talent to work with there so he'll have a big head start on Lovie, but what he won't have is a fanbase and AD that will be as patient. Hope he does well (as in makes a Top Tier bowl game sometime in the next two years) otherwise he's going to be yanked after 3 years and that will set the program back further.
Great article about the Herm Edwards hire:
https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/4...red-arizona-state-university-college-football
Best snippet:
There are several critical differences between Smith and Edwards. Smith was a significantly better NFL coach, going 89-87 with a trip to a Super Bowl and an NFC championship game while Edwards was 20 games below .500 and never made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. Smith had a connection to Illinois, having coached the Bears for nine seasons, while Edwards has no connection to Arizona. Smith had over a decade of college experience, working as a linebackers coach for power programs such as Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Tennessee, while Edwards had just the three years at SJSU. Smith continued working as a coach in the NFL until right before the Illini hired him, while Edwards has spent the past nine years talking for money. To summarize: Hiring Edwards is like Illinois’s horrific decision to hire Smith, except worse in every conceivable way.
Read the last line an interesting take on the hire (and why they spent $12mm to buy out Graham)
https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/4...red-arizona-state-university-college-football
Best snippet:
There are several critical differences between Smith and Edwards. Smith was a significantly better NFL coach, going 89-87 with a trip to a Super Bowl and an NFC championship game while Edwards was 20 games below .500 and never made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. Smith had a connection to Illinois, having coached the Bears for nine seasons, while Edwards has no connection to Arizona. Smith had over a decade of college experience, working as a linebackers coach for power programs such as Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Tennessee, while Edwards had just the three years at SJSU. Smith continued working as a coach in the NFL until right before the Illini hired him, while Edwards has spent the past nine years talking for money. To summarize: Hiring Edwards is like Illinois’s horrific decision to hire Smith, except worse in every conceivable way.
Read the last line an interesting take on the hire (and why they spent $12mm to buy out Graham)
The article as says Herm is great at talking. I would argue the exact opposite. The guy is so full of crap it's spewing out his eyeballs. I thought the Fleck press conference last year was entertaining...If you have 30 minutes to spare, watch this nonsense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMAWizdp3mc
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Those are great points. Smith definitely seems like a better hire than Edwards.
But I guess for me, the BLUF from that snippet is that they called our hiring of Smith "horrific". Ouch.
UCF hired Josh Heupel (Missouri OC) as their new HC and are bringing in Randy Shannon as DC.