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chiefini

Rockford, Illinois
So no news or updates yet? Where are IL’s sleuths? Were any Illini coaches scouting at AAU games last night or this morning? Are OA’s and CC’s Twitter screens still ORANGE and blue? (I don’t tweet) Any Flight tracker movement? Who’s in Champaign, and who’s in Lexington? Come on, IL!
 
#352      
So no news or updates yet? Where are IL’s sleuths? Were any Illini coaches scouting at AAU games last night or this morning? Are OA’s and CC’s Twitter screens still ORANGE and blue? (I don’t tweet) Any Flight tracker movement? Who’s in Champaign, and who’s in Lexington? Come on, IL!
Negotiations might have slowed with the death of the young man on UK's team.
 
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$1.2 million on the table and no resolution so far?

UK has run out of gas? (And, $$$ from donors?)

Cal has lost his sheen?

.........

Are we there yet?
 
#354      
UK is what it is, but if OA really wants to be a head coach again (and the money is similar which looks to be the case), of I were him I am staying here. If he helps Illinois win its first NCAA title, he won’t be looking at UCF as his options for a head coaching job. He will be looking at major D1 jobs. No matter what he does at UK, slime ball will get all the credit. He is clearly very good at what he does, it sure would be nice if he took Ayo’s view of what Illinois could be?
 
#356      

Ubermensch

BOOM! Feed my ego.
This isn't a criticism of Calipari or some sort of rationale as to why a coach shouldn't leave Illinois for Kentucky, but I'm kind of surprised Calipari's coaching tree hasn't been more successful. Pastner took over for him at Memphis. I can't think of another Calipari assistant who has gone on to have success as a head coach.
 
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UK is what it is, but if OA really wants to be a head coach again (and the money is similar which looks to be the case), of I were him I am staying here. If he helps Illinois win its first NCAA title, he won’t be looking at UCF as his options for a head coaching job. He will be looking at major D1 jobs. No matter what he does at UK, slime ball will get all the credit. He is clearly very good at what he does, it sure would be nice if he took Ayo’s view of what Illinois could be?
We are viewing this with hearts, not our heads... Chris Mack left Xavier for Louisville and Chris Holtmann left Butler for Ohio State. I know they are head coaches, but those moves make sense (even w/o looking at money). The programs they left are good programs in a top tier conference, and they still left.
 
#359      
If we are waiting on what is going on in KY, isn't it safe to assume our offer isn't good enough, or they want to leave?
No it means OA's agent wants to see if kentucky out bids illinois.

Regardless, Chin and OA's agents are pumped. Know how to get that cash.
 
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Yeah this feels like a forcing function for ncaa if it goes well
Look at College baseball..
Elite go to pros right away...and some good HS baseball players get drafted after 1-4yrs of college. Unfortunately many less slots in NBA vs MLB. In 10 years (or less) #s 1-10 HS BB players will be playing pro (G league elite) vs college....I strongly believe that.
 
#361      
We are viewing this with hearts, not our heads... Chris Mack left Xavier for Louisville and Chris Holtmann left Butler for Ohio State. I know they are head coaches, but those moves make sense (even w/o looking at money). The programs they left are good programs in a top tier conference, and they still left.
The question is what outcome is used to measure this move from a business perspective? Is the question which place has had more success in the past and is more likely to have success in the future? Then it's KY in a landslide. If OA just wants to be at a more successful program where he can easily pull in #1 recruiting classes, then he goes there. Is the question which is better for him to obtain a high-level HC job? If so, there's a good argument for IL over KY. We're not operating blind here -- we have data showing exactly what an extended run of success at KY did for OA specifically. It didn't result in a high-level HC job. Whereas the operable data we have specific to IL and OA is that a very short run of success radically improved his career prospects. All in all I think the business-side of this just depends on what he wants to get out of the position (besides money, if we assume those are the same).
 
#362      
The question is what outcome is used to measure this move from a business perspective? Is the question which place has had more success in the past and is more likely to have success in the future? Then it's KY in a landslide. If OA just wants to be at a more successful program where he can easily pull in #1 recruiting classes, then he goes there. Is the question which is better for him to obtain a high-level HC job? If so, there's a good argument for IL over KY. We're not operating blind here -- we have data showing exactly what an extended run of success at KY did for OA specifically. It didn't result in a high-level HC job. Whereas the operable data we have specific to IL and OA is that a very short run of success radically improved his career prospects. All in all I think the business-side of this just depends on what he wants to get out of the position (besides money, if we assume those are the same).
I tend to agree with a lot of that, but what Illinois assistant coaches have landed high profile head coaching jobs? That's where the downfall of your theory lies. Billy Gillispie got the UTEP job and that is the only one I can really think of.
 
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Joel Goodson

respect my decision™
I tend to agree with a lot of that, but what Illinois assistant coaches have landed high profile head coaching jobs? That's where the downfall of your theory lies. Billy Gillispie got the UTEP job and that is the only one I can really think of.
Why, in God's name, would any of Weber's or Groce's assistants have landed a plum job?
 
#366      
The question is what outcome is used to measure this move from a business perspective? Is the question which place has had more success in the past and is more likely to have success in the future? Then it's KY in a landslide. If OA just wants to be at a more successful program where he can easily pull in #1 recruiting classes, then he goes there. Is the question which is better for him to obtain a high-level HC job? If so, there's a good argument for IL over KY. We're not operating blind here -- we have data showing exactly what an extended run of success at KY did for OA specifically. It didn't result in a high-level HC job. Whereas the operable data we have specific to IL and OA is that a very short run of success radically improved his career prospects. All in all I think the business-side of this just depends on what he wants to get out of the position (besides money, if we assume those are the same).
It could come down to where he is most fulfilled and enjoys coming to work every day.....(I can't believe I said that..?:)
 
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I would think there are a lot of mixed emotions and 2nd thoughts from our incoming class about the character and loyalty that was sold to them over these last, who knows how many, months. Regardless of what happens I think the longer this drags out the more distrust it creates. I know it could and probably will work itself out but that is a heck of a way to start your college career with so much uncertainty and chaos. What says you?
 
#368      
I would think there are a lot of mixed emotions and 2nd thoughts from our incoming class about the character and loyalty that was sold to them over these last, who knows how many, months. Regardless of what happens I think the longer this drags out the more distrust it creates. I know it could and probably will work itself out but that is a heck of a way to start your college career with so much uncertainty and chaos. What says you?
Why would character be in question? Because assistants have been offered significantly more money at blue blood opportunities?
 
#370      
I would think there are a lot of mixed emotions and 2nd thoughts from our incoming class about the character and loyalty that was sold to them over these last, who knows how many, months. Regardless of what happens I think the longer this drags out the more distrust it creates. I know it could and probably will work itself out but that is a heck of a way to start your college career with so much uncertainty and chaos. What says you?
It’s the nature of the sport.
 
#371      

The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
I don't think that's safe at all. We're talking about a kid dying. Maybe UI coaches and admin have enough common sense and tact to maybe not rush things right now.
Seriously. Even if OA has signed a deal with either us or UK it'd be wildly tacky for that info to come out right now. Our supposed insiders seem fairly confident. We'll see how it plays out, but it's gonna take a little more time than it normally would.
 
#372      

Ubermensch

BOOM! Feed my ego.
I would think there are a lot of mixed emotions and 2nd thoughts from our incoming class about the character and loyalty that was sold to them over these last, who knows how many, months. Regardless of what happens I think the longer this drags out the more distrust it creates. I know it could and probably will work itself out but that is a heck of a way to start your college career with so much uncertainty and chaos. What says you?
I understand your concern, but I think you undersell the understanding and reasoning abilities of players and parents and high school/AAU coaches. They know it's a business. This is a potential problem for every single kid weighing their options. Ultimately the head coach has to be the anchor and the guy keeping everyone on the same page.
 
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Why would character be in question? Because assistants have been offered significantly more money at blue blood opportunities?
Because these are teenagers who put their trust in "These" coaches and not the other ones from the other schools and within a week or so see it all possibly being completely altered. They don't care about or probably can't process what's going on like a mature adult. They could see it just like I said a major, unexpected, unwanted, stressful situation that they did not sign up for!!! Put yourself in their shoes, they spent a long time to make the biggest decision of their lives and consulted with a lot of close friends and adults to come to this decision and then "BOOM" it all might change.
 
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BBIQ

Texas
I understand your concern, but I think you undersell the understanding and reasoning abilities of players and parents and high school/AAU coaches. They know it's a business. This is a potential problem for every single kid weighing their options. Ultimately the head coach has to be the anchor and the guy keeping everyone on the same page.
Exactly, and as long as the head coach is there then the system and culture they were attracted to remains.
 
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Also just for some reference point, myself and three of my children and 2 of my son-in-laws were recruited scholarship athletes that played at the highest level in college and professionally and know personally what the process entails and the emotional upheaval that occurs when there are coaching issues or changes. So I think I have the credentials to speak to this because it's not just speculative.
 
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