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#426      
I mean barring us losing more players, this hasn't been all that disappointing of an off-season. Kentucky has the funds and a coach that has experience at all levels, who knows how to get AC's to the NBA. This was bound to happen eventually. Meanwhile, we've added some solid recruits and transfers to keep us in the top 25 again next year.
Last couple months includes the early exit.
 
#427      
Because of the quality of the three coming in. Because we have a strong team with a great freshman class and two outstanding recruits for next year. Plus, the possibility that our All-American center returns and we still have a spot for another transfer. And, the AD and head coach are in place. That's how.
Which of those three coaches is considered the best recruiter in the country? I must have missed something...
 
#428      
Everybody, please step back from the ledge.

4 years ago JW pilfered a coach from a good P5 program.

That coach hired a top shelf assistant and an unknown assistant

4 years later we are a #1 seed

The top two people are still here, we are going to be alright but the insanity of some of the things you read here is stunning. No one can work with Gentry, Underwood can't get along with his staff, this happens every day 10,000 times in the business world and nobody gives it a second thought.

We will be different but fine.
I agree we will be fine. BU is a quality head coach, JW is a quality AD, and Illinois basketball will continue to compete. I believe this. I also believe that had OA and Chin stayed 2 or 3 more years, we would be in even better shape, and we'd be more likely to finally experience a national championship. Not saying it would have happened for sure, not saying it won't happen because they're gone, I just think the odds are better if they'd stayed a little longer while the program established itself a little more. And the fact that our quality head coach and quality AD were willing to pay AO over $1 million a year for 4 years does indicate my opinion on this is not unfounded. It can both be true that we are fine, but we could have been better off.

I'll also never understand why highly optimistic people are so bothered by the doom and gloom takes. If the world is all sunshine and rainbows, why on earth let someone expressing concern on a internet message board let you down? I think this is how people vent, and that's all good, man. Just like it's all good that everything is hunky dory on your end.
 
#429      
There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.
 
#430      
There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.
I find this post to be... fine.
 
#431      
There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.
Bret you a beach house or two that we will be just fine.
 
#432      
There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.
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#433      
That’s true......but we aren’t replacing the Chin of 4 years ago.

No knock on Chester.....if he is hired I hope he is great.

I guess my expectations were that we were going to go after some higher profile guys. That’s all. Hate to see our momentum slow.....maybe it is inevitable having to replace who we have to replace.
You have anyone in mind?

We ARE replacing Chin of 4 years ago. That’s the guy who left. Who did he bring in four years ago? What if CF brought in comparable?

CC and OA are gone. They left. We will get replacements. I have to trust JW and BU. I’m guessing that they know for what to look in an AC. After all, they got CC and OA.

Just remember, “In Brad We Trust.”
 
#434      
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There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.
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#435      
There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.

The key here is that our own standard of "fine" needs to be excellence. That ought to be the baseline, like it used to be.

So hopefully when said posters say we will be fine, that's what they mean.
 
#436      
Which of those three coaches is considered the best recruiter in the country? I must have missed something...

Which one leaving was considered the best recruiter in the country? They did a nice job identifying talent but they signed zero top 30 recruits total in their time here. If BU and JW can't replace that (they can) then we have bigger problems.
 
#438      
BOOM! Feed my ego.
There are more than a couple posters who say something along the lines of "We will be fine."

I don't want our program to be "fine". I want it to be excellent. I want perennial top 25s, more than occasional top 10s, challenging for the big ten title in 4 out of 5 years. And I'd like to finally get that championship.

I want to see again the 80's or the streak under Self and Weber. Those years weren't "fine".

If in saying we will "be fine" means what I said above, great. But the word "fine" for Illinois basketball means mediocrity to me and gives me no consolation.
What do you suggest these posters do?
 
#439      
Which one leaving was considered the best recruiter in the country? They did a nice job identifying talent but they signed zero top 30 recruits total in their time here. If BU and JW can't replace that (they can) then we have bigger problems.

OA .... at UK.
 
#441      
You have anyone in mind?

We ARE replacing Chin of 4 years ago. That’s the guy who left. Who did he bring in four years ago? What if CF brought in comparable?

CC and OA are gone. They left. We will get replacements. I have to trust JW and BU. I’m guessing that they know for what to look in an AC. After all, they got CC and OA.

Just remember, “In Brad We Trust.”
Do I have anyone in mind? I still believe we need someone with Chicago ties.....maybe I’m the minority on that.

I would love to see:

Mennenga
Armon Gates (Loyola, Northwestern, Florida, Nebraska)

Daniyal Robinson

But...if we go a different direction I’m fine as long as we get players from somewhere. If it is Chester, or Powell.....or whoever....#1 thing right now is can they help keep what we have together.
 
#442      
If Orlando and Chin leave...they continue on as footnotes to calimari's legacy....until something new develops...OA legacy good recruiter for BU and calamari, bad head coach. Chin... did good for Underwood...now say, UK continues to downtrend...and Illinois stays legit...Orlando and Chin will be at DePaul in a few seasons...lol...I...L...L...
 
#443      
I didn’t know anything about the now reported personality conflicts (if true), but I did find it interesting during the season that when coaching acumen and X and O’s were mentioned by media it usually centered round Gentry. I wondered if that would cause conflict and sounds like at least it didn’t help matters. Plenty of people including most on here knew about the great ability and importance of OA and Chin both as coaches but more importantly as recruiters. But there are plenty that don’t seem to based on the messages that say “just hire some more recruiters and we’ll be fine,”. I mean how good could they be if they never brought in a top 30 recruit right? [eye roll]

Now I’m not saying that Illinois basketball is now doomed to backslide into the mediocrity of the Groce years. Based upon their original hires, the success level the program is at now, and what appears to be a generous AC salary pool, it is reasonable to assume that BU and JW will bring in quality new ACs. It is likely we will skip a beat (but hopefully not “beats”), and that the current roster as well as recruits can help cover up any growing pains the new staff has. Just have to hope that BU can keep the 2021 and 2022 recruits on board. I really don’t see Curbelo leaving, but I guess there is always a chance.

The bottom line is that whether or not you considered OA the top recruiter in nation, it is hard not to admit that the OA and Chin combo covered a lot of bases. OA is a top national/international recruiter who is also one of the top big-man coaches around. Chin had the Chicago connections and has developed into at least a good all-around recruiter (I think more like very good) who seemed to be a very good guard coach too. If Gentry stays, it will be tough to cover all those bases with another two coaches. I’m interested to see who BU turns to in order to help keep things on track as well as get even better in future. Nice thing is that this year he has two “internal coaches” — Trent and DMW — on board. I was firmly in the happy to see them back camp, but that has grown to ecstatic. Think those two have become even more important in maintaining the culture with the coaching losses.
 
#444      
Was most impressed by BU when he hired new assistants rather than bringing his staff with him as Groce did. The job is management and takes a team effort in recruiting and coaching as well as in playing. BU proved he knew what he was doing. Losing OA and his connections is certainly a set back but he has certainly built more of his own connections in these four years. Identifying talent was more of a strong point than just pure recruiting in my opinion as his two All Americans were not top ten talent but ended up there. Do not want to lose Gentry at this point because the team started winning when he came. If we keep our commits we have a a few years of talent and time to recover. Cup is still half full.
 
#447      
If we're filling 3 AC slots, I'd hold my nose and bring on Bergeron, if that seals the deal with Tre Mitchell.

Curbelo, Frazier, Hutch, Mitchell, Cockburn

Plummer, Grandison, DMW, Payne, Podz, Hawkins, Melendez, et al off the bench

That team could do some damage.
 
#448      
If we're filling 3 AC slots, I'd hold my nose and bring on Bergeron, if that seals the deal with Tre Mitchell.

Curbelo, Frazier, Hutch, Mitchell, Cockburn

Plummer, Grandison, DMW, Payne, Podz, Hawkins, Melendez, et al off the bench

That team could do some damage.
That would be quite the team. Make those coaches wish they were here as we are winning the National Championship next year ;-)
 
#449      
If we're filling 3 AC slots, I'd hold my nose and bring on Bergeron, if that seals the deal with Tre Mitchell.

Curbelo, Frazier, Hutch, Mitchell, Cockburn

Plummer, Grandison, DMW, Payne, Podz, Hawkins, Melendez, et al off the bench

That team could do some damage.
Is there something specific with him that's bad news? Or just the concept of hiring an assistant coach to bring in a stud player?