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#476      
Wouldn't it be karma for Illini to win NC and Kentucky to miss dance second year in a row.
Let's take this one step further......Illini beat the Wildcats in the ncaa championship game.....think they're be some motivated Illini players and staff
 
#477      
There's a lot of teams who had even better seasons who aren't losing most of their staff.
Not sure what you mean? UK has been going after OA for more than a year. (According to UK fans I work with). That’s the unique nature of this particular move. Really bad luck that OA wanted to take Chin with him.

I’m convinced that Podz choosing Illinois over UK, with Chin being the lead recruiter, was eye opening for some.

I also think that Podz will thrive Underwood’s system and can be a very high volume scorer at Illinois. So I don’t think Chin was the only reason he came here.
 
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#478      
Is there anyone on this forum who, if they were not an Illini fan, not take a job at Kentucky over Illinois if the pay was somewhat equal?
Your point is reasonable...that's how I rationalize Chin...he is chasing his future and connections...at a "Google" vs at "Yahoo"

On the flip side for Chin, he will likely be at the end of the AC bench at KY,...so in some respects it's a step down. He will get exposed to another system which is always healthy if you want to get better as an AC.

ATS, I believe Chins coaching future is more likely in B10 than SEC.
 
#480      
Rap73: “Is there anyone on this forum who, if they were not an Illini fan, not take a job at Kentucky over Illinois if the pay was somewhat equal?”

YES. Or, put another way, YES-YES-YES. It’s this... ‘Thinking That Kentucky Is The Greatest Thing In The Universe” that puts programs like the Ilini always trying to play catch-up. The Illini do NOT have to take a back seat to ANYONE.

Or, said another way, if projecting the idea that a program is somehow deficient is the Central Vision of the program, then the program will always be a 'Lessor'. It all comes down to the thought process of the individual and what they choose to believe (or 'settle for'). If a guy really wants to be somewhere else, so be it and good for him. But The Illini have a proud history of legacy success that does not have to take a back seat to anyone.
 
#481      
I can’t blame OA really - I’m sure he’s got a deep love for Kentucky. Not thrilled with him that he recruited Chin to go with him, but that is what he does- recruit. I’ve unfortunately lost a little respect for Chin. Chicago guy, was literally hardly a college coach when brought on to Illini program. For both guys to go to the same program at the same time after such a great season with a heart breaking ending is just really kinda low. I know it’s a business and I’m a salty fan. But it’s just my feelings about it.

With that being said, as long as we don’t lose recruits over this, I still think we will make great hires and be in great shape for the future.
I'm kind of with you, but in all honesty, I am also a little annoyed with OA only because he is recruiting Chin with him. If he was a head coach, I would get it, but the Assistant Coach recruiting another assistant to tag along with you is weird. Either way, best of luck to them and thanks for their contributions.
 
#482      
I'm kind of with you, but in all honesty, I am also a little annoyed with OA only because he is recruiting Chin with him. If he was a head coach, I would get it, but the Assistant Coach recruiting another assistant to tag along with you is weird. Either way, best of luck to them and thanks for their contributions.
I agree it just seems weird. Assistants leave from time to time and I can get over that but 2 at the same time sort has me thrown off. I can't recall 2 assistants leaving one program for the same other program ever. It just feels odd.
 
#483      
I'm kind of with you, but in all honesty, I am also a little annoyed with OA only because he is recruiting Chin with him. If he was a head coach, I would get it, but the Assistant Coach recruiting another assistant to tag along with you is weird. Either way, best of luck to them and thanks for their contributions.
My guess is Cal either asked about Chin, or asked O for any names, and O simply vouched for him.

If I’m Chin this move probably makes a lot of sense. Lots of 5 star talent in the MIF pipeline and he has a lot better chance of landing those kids at UK and I’m sure he sold that connection to land the offer. You land a few McDAA’s, all of sudden you cement your status as a rock star recruiter and can probably get a better HC gig.

All of that assuming Cal sticks around UK another 2-3 years.
 
#485      
There's a lot of teams who had even better seasons who aren't losing most of their staff.
Yes, those teams staff members were not targeted by Kentucky. There’s a reason these two coaches and the Illini were targeted by probably the biggest program in the country. We had and built something very big. Now, we get to see what Underwood’s program is made of.

That excites me.

Putting aside all emotional attachment, Kentucky is a bigger program. Possibly the biggest. Is that ok? No. I’m going to love watching Underwood put together better teams though.
 
#486      
Henson, Kruger and Self got plenty. Recruiting the last four years has more closely resembled the Weber years than the previous 2+ decades.

Let's not lower the bar because of Groce's incompetence.
Henson, Kruger, and Self were the head coaches. I am talking about losing the best recruiting assistant in the country. I think that is the point you are missing.
 
#487      
Henson, Kruger, and Self were the head coaches. I am talking about losing the best recruiting assistant in the country. I think that is the point you are missing.
It’s definitely a blow to lose Coach O and he brought in some great recruits and is probably the best recruiter in the country. That said, he wasn’t bringing Boogie Cousins or Anthony Davis here. I’m fairly optimistic we can land a solid assistant who probably has different ties but can continue our level of recruiting without too much drop off. Consistently landing top 100ish kids with the occasional top 50 should be replicable.
 
#488      
Baltimore, MD
Rap73: “Is there anyone on this forum who, if they were not an Illini fan, not take a job at Kentucky over Illinois if the pay was somewhat equal?”

YES. Or, put another way, YES-YES-YES. It’s this... ‘Thinking That Kentucky Is The Greatest Thing In The Universe” that puts programs like the Ilini always trying to play catch-up. The Illini do NOT have to take a back seat to ANYONE.

Or, said another way, if projecting the idea that a program is somehow deficient is the Central Vision of the program, then the program will always be a 'Lessor'. It all comes down to the thought process of the individual and what they choose to believe (or 'settle for'). If a guy really wants to be somewhere else, so be it and good for him. But The Illini have a proud history of legacy success that does not have to take a back seat to anyone.
This is such a bad take because you're not putting your bias aside or seeing the reality of the college basketball landscape. Let's say you work at Blackberry, a well respected tech company who's best years were 10-20 years ago, but things are looking up (BB is heavily involved in auto/self driving tech now), and Google offers you the same position at twice the pay. Blackberry matches the offer, but it's still Google. It's much easier to turn the position at Google into a higher position at another company and it's more prestigious, looks better on the resume, and has more resources. It's not a hard decision to make if your bias is put in check.

The fact is that there will always be companies (or in our case basketball programs) trying to play catch up, to think that's not the case is not living in reality.
 
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#490      
Is there anyone on this forum who, if they were not an Illini fan, not take a job at Kentucky over Illinois if the pay was somewhat equal?

It's a good point. I'll pretend that I wouldn't if only because I don't want to live in Lexington. But if I weren't an Illini fan and, say, Duke came calling, I'd probably go to Duke.
 
#491      
Gurnee
Brad has been around a long time and the real thought of OA leaving has been present long enough to have a great short list put together.

With the season we just had, makes virtually everyone attainable. Can't wait to see who we are able to bring in to keep this train rollin'!
 
#493      
So a week or so ago Illinois was congratulated for putting all of its chips in the middle of the table in order to retain the two coaches. I applauded the move, and interpreted it as meaning Illinois strongly desired to keep them here. So what happened? Illinois obviously wanted to keep them here. Did Kentucky roll out more money, tapping into its wealthy alumni or basketball fanatics base? If that's all it was, then I find it disappointing that we couldn't come up with enough $$ to match or better the Kentucky offers. If it was something else, then Underwood and Whitman must have been blindsided, because why would they have upped the ante if the assistant coaches were dissatisfied for reasons other than pay? I do not put much stock in Kentucky's basketball tradition as being that big a factor. So many "institutions" have faded or shifted in recent years - in sports, business, etc.
 
#494      
The highest points of our program in recent memory correlate with Chicago area recruits being highly important members of our team.
And how many have spurned us for headscratchers as well.

We have pulled less than 2% (my guess, but if someone had the time, it may be less than that) of 4-5☆ recruits in the last 14 years from Chicago.

I will guarantee Adam Miller/MIF camps are not going to do us any favors for the next 10+ years.

Yes, we continue trying, but also have to get the best of what we can.

I would say we have had more overall success with players not from Chicago than from Chicago. Ayo and who else? Adam Miller is not a Chicago kid, he was brought there to win a state title by MPHS and I'd bet if IHSA did homework, something would have turned up in that situation.

No, we don't stop altogether but we CANNOT rely and beat our heads against the wall to get Chicago. Every program out there says Chicago is the most political, what can you do for me city to recruit.
 
#495      
Henson, Kruger, and Self were the head coaches. I am talking about losing the best recruiting assistant in the country. I think that is the point you are missing.

My mistake. Jimmy Collins, Rob Judson and Norm Roberts all brought in considerably more top 30 recruits than Orlando Antigua's grand total of zero.

Repeating that he is the best recruiting assistant in the country doesn't make it so.
 
#497      
Winged Warrior
At the risk of having yet another post removed, the elephant in the room in my humble opinion is that the issue may not be with Whitman or BU but is above the both of them??? Just pointing out, for discussion purposes only. The University's commitment to the athletic program has been mixed at best. The athletic program does not operate in a vacuum. Just sayin' Maybe totally off base, but maybe not. If we are going to speculate, at least this speculation ought to be on the table.

There is zero doubt that recruiting will be "easier" for OA and Chin at UK....both academically and...ahem...financially.
 
#498      
Invisible and Bulletproof
Miracle Mile
Did Kentucky roll out more money, tapping into its wealthy alumni or basketball fanatics base? If that's all it was, then I find it disappointing that we couldn't come up with enough $$ to match or better the Kentucky offers.
You're both surprised and disappointed that we couldn't outbid the school that has no problem paying its head coach almost $10m per year?

Am I reading that correctly?
 
#499      
Am I the only one that when I hear "we have to win Chicago, or get someone with Chicago ties." my blood pressure rises? Dating back to Jimmy Collins, how many Chicago kids have we gotten? We have done very well without Chicago kids and NEARLY everyone of them expected us to turn the program over to their family control because we owed them. We don't owe anybody anything. We owe the kids that want to come to the U of I something and that is an opportunity. You either take it, or you don't.
Chicago is not worth the trouble We’ve never gotten the best ones anyway. If we can’t get Chicago’s best without having a guy with “connections” then move on. There is a whole world out there! Thinking we have to have Chicago in order to be successful is an outdated joke! I don’t care if they are even from Illinois as long as they can play and WANT to be here!
 
#500      
And how many have spurned us for headscratchers as well.

We have pulled less than 2% (my guess, but if someone had the time, it may be less than that) of 4-5☆ recruits in the last 14 years from Chicago.

I will guarantee Adam Miller/MIF camps are not going to do us any favors for the next 10+ years.

Yes, we continue trying, but also have to get the best of what we can.

I would say we have had more overall success with players not from Chicago than from Chicago. Ayo and who else? Adam Miller is not a Chicago kid, he was brought there to win a state title by MPHS and I'd bet if IHSA did homework, something would have turned up in that situation.

No, we don't stop altogether but we CANNOT rely and beat our heads against the wall to get Chicago. Every program out there says Chicago is the most political, what can you do for me city to recruit.
Just perusing through the players who have banners in the rafters:

Dee Brown. Luther Head. Kendall Gill. Nick Anderson. Deon Thomas. Kenny Battle (Aurora - still Chicago area). Ken Norman. Eddie Johnson.

Thats 8/13 players who played since the 80s to get a banner.