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WyattEarp

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illini0440 said:
happy illinois basketball GIF by Fighting Illini Athletics
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So I like this…looks positive…
But, I have concluded I am really, really bad at deciphering gif-code…like seriously bad. I relish the hints and clues and Easter eggs we’re fortunate enough to get. But, my secret-code reading must be at like a 3rd grade level.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

Mr. Tibbs
southeast DuPage
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I'm not smart enough to understand all the game behind the game stuff of coach speak as it relates to "job rankings" among schools.
I'm mean, I understand why Gene Bartow left for UCLA and why Self left for Kansas.

But I truly would not understand Brad leaving for UT , unless the yearly salary and guaranteed portion was just knock your socks off.
Brad could likely stay at UI for as long as he wants. Keep winning 20-25 games a year, keep bringing in high level recruits and the fan base will be happy with a chance to get a Final Four appearance now and then.

Are things perfect inside the progtam ? of course not.
But we are pretty much where we wished we were, just 6 years ago before we hired him. Hes done just about everything we've expected in those 6 seasons since .
 
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BashCtIllini

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Mr. Tibbs said:
I'm not smart enough to understand all the game behind the game stuff of coach speak as it relates to "job rankings" among schools.
I'm mean, I understand why Gene Bartow left for UCLA and why Self left for Kansas.

But I truly would not understand Brad leaving for UT , unless the yearly salary and guaranteed portion was just knock your socks off.
Brad could likely stay at UI for as long as he wants. Keep winning 20-25 games a year, keep bringing in high level recruits and the fan base will be happy with a chance to get a Final Four appearance now and then.

Are things perfect inside the progtam ? of course not.
But we are pretty much where we wished we were, just 6 years ago before we hired him. Hes done just about everything we've expected in those 6 seasons since .
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Well it's quite simple, we're all individuals. Do you think the same way as your spouse, your parents, your neighbor? We all know there are blue blood schools. Some coaches want nothing more than to be at a blue blood. Other coaches are more interested in staying close to their hometown or stay in their home state, so they're more interested in their local flagship school. Some just want the most money possible.

These guys aren't coaching robots. They aren't programmed to perfectly calculate program history, fanbase, recruiting, facilities, etc. They have personal thoughts. It could be as simple as Underwood loved living in Texas. He loves big trucks, barbecue, and heat. Maybe his wife loved it there. Maybe he hates the winter cold. Maybe he hates Illinois taxes, who knows.

I think when you are at a school like Illinois, another school has to make you a very strong offer to get you to leave. Why uproot your life and start over at a new school for anything even close to a lateral? That said Texas is a bit of a different story. The opening is not there because of poor performance. Someone is walking into a top 10 team, with 2 5 star recruits coming in next year. It is a great situation, and if I was thinking about a new job, I would be praying I got the Texas job.

That said, I'm not really worried a bit about Underwood going to Texas.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

Fighter of the Nightman
Chicago, IL
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The main thing about Texas seems to be their absolutely unparalleled financial resources, no? I mean, Kansas gets relatively crappy football revenue and is in a conference that is constantly in danger of being poached ... does anyone seriously think Texas couldn't outbid Kansas for Self if they REALLY wanted to? Yet nobody worries for one second that Self is leaving KU for Texas because Kansas has a better basketball tradition, he has KU in a great spot and he has called Kansas his dream job. We aren't at Kansas' level, obviously, but believe it or not ... same things apply for Brad here. :)
 
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ptgrd23

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If I was TX AD I would target
-- Musselman Arkansas
-- Oates Alabama
-- Cronin UCLA
-- Few Gonzaga
-- Loyd AZ

With exception of Few none of others have long history at their current schools.

I think Brad would be way down the list. He was red hot after the #1 seed with Ayo and looked good with B10 championship last year but his year I think even he would admit the team has underperformed.
 
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GrayGhost77

GrayGhost77
Centennial, CO
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ptgrd23 said:
If I was TX AD I would target
-- Musselman Arkansas
-- Oates Alabama
-- Cronin UCLA
-- Few Gonzaga
-- Loyd AZ

With exception of Few none of others have long history at their current schools.

I think Brad would be way down the list. He was red hot after the #1 seed with Ayo and looked good with B10 championship last year but his year I think even he would admit the team has underperformed.
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The top 2 for sure. Few could have left for any job he wanted many times by now nad hasn't, so he's not going anywhere. Lloyd - not sure why he'd leave Arizona, which is already a top destination. Cronin - don't see it, especially with them going into the B1G soon.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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Chicago, IL
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GrayGhost77 said:
The top 2 for sure. Few could have left for any job he wanted many times by now nad hasn't, so he's not going anywhere. Lloyd - not sure why he'd leave Arizona, which is already a top destination. Cronin - don't see it, especially with them going into the B1G soon.
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Is Arizona a better destination in the Pac-12 better than Texas in the SEC? Why, because they have better tradition and have been good lately? Because that describes a lot of programs when compared to Texas, including our dear Illini.
 
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WyattEarp

WyattEarp
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Fighter of the Nightman said:
Is Arizona a better destination in the Pac-12 better than Texas in the SEC? Why, because they have better tradition and have been good lately? Because that describes a lot of programs when compared to Texas, including our dear Illini.
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(You probably knew this…but Texas is in the Big 12. No big-ee.)

I get what you are saying if it’s 💰 and potential and having a better conference….Texas is probably on par or even better than ‘Zona…

But Arizona’s tradition goes back to Lute Olson and the point guard U days. They’ve been a household name for a good long time. (And that’s worth a bunch. IMO) They’ve had ALOT of consistent winning. A REAL Good tradition…and Texas, by comparison has had maybe like one good Tom Penders team, s few pretty good R.Barnes teams, Kevin Durant, Shaka Smart and a lot of people that mostly care about football in that span of time.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I feel like that’s probably the general consensus…but I dunno?
 
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ptgrd23

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Another way to look at is

Austin TX population 1 million

vs.

Tucson AZ 0.5M and hot!
Fayetteville 0.1M -deep south
Tuscaloosa AL 0.1M - deep south

Musselman has been all over country
Oates is from Buffalo
Lloyd was at Gonzaga forever - Spokane
 
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Iloveorangekoolaid

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WyattEarp said:
(You probably knew this…but Texas is in the Big 12. No big-ee.)

I get what you are saying if it’s 💰 and potential and having a better conference….Texas is probably on par or even better than ‘Zona…

But Arizona’s tradition goes back to Lute Olson and the point guard U days. They’ve been a household name for a good long time. (And that’s worth a bunch. IMO) They’ve had ALOT of consistent winning. A REAL Good tradition…and Texas, by comparison has had maybe like one good Tom Penders team, s few pretty good R.Barnes teams, Kevin Durant, Shaka Smart and a lot of people that mostly care about football in that span of time.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I feel like that’s probably the general consensus…but I dunno?
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Texas is moving to the SEC so I’m assuming that’s what the original poster was saying.
 
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ptgrd23

ptgrd23
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Mick Cronin UCLA was born and raised in Cincinnati. He played at Cincinnati and was assistant then HC (12 years) at Cincinnati .

I was shocked he took the UCLA job. Austin TX is closer to midwest feel.

Louisville bombed with Chris Mack from Xavier but Kenny Payne is 4-26 in his first season. I could see Payne jumping back to NBA if he does have more success year 2. Hate to be the next Patrick Ewing coach. I could see Cronin leaving LA for Louisville if his family does not like SoCal.

Chris Beard had a 7 year $5M per year contract. I don't think TX is going to get out of that contract scot free after the DA dropped charges against Beard.

Nate Oats makes $5M per year
Cronin makes $4M per year 7 year contract
Tommy Lloyd makes slightly under $4M per year
Eric Musselman has 5 year contract at $4M per year
Kenny Payne salary $3.4M per year
 
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grue2

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Fighter of the Nightman said:
Is Arizona a better destination in the Pac-12 better than Texas in the SEC? Why, because they have better tradition and have been good lately? Because that describes a lot of programs when compared to Texas, including our dear Illini.
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A number of the Pac-12 teams may be in the Big-12 soon. This includes AZ. The Pac-12 was last to the table for TV right negotiations. That coupled with their west coast time slots, and losing UCLA and USC is causing problems. Their next TV contract may not look like a power-5 contract.

Related: There seem to be rumors (again) that the Big10 may be taking another pair of teams. The names that keep coming up are Washington and Oregon. Washington would be a reasonable fit. The Oregon academics are worse than any Big10 school except Nebraska.
 
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mhuml32

mhuml32
Cincinnati, OH
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Fighter of the Nightman said:
The main thing about Texas seems to be their absolutely unparalleled financial resources, no?
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Texas has exploded with basketball talent in the last 15 years. They have the resources to recruit nationally but it's absurd how Texas has become one of best areas for prep talent.


Top-50 Recruits in Texas (Composite Rankings)
**Included the best name for each matured class for nostalgia reasons

2010 - 4 (Perry Jones)
2011 - 4 (Ben McLemore)
2012 - 6 (Marcus Smart)
2013 - 6 (Julius Randle) - 3 of the top 6 prospects*
2014 - 4 (Myles Turner + Justice Winslow + Kelly Oubre) - all 4 ranked in the top 13
2015 - 4 (Juwan Evans)
2016 - 7 (DeAron Fox + Jarrett Allen)
2017 - 2 (Jarred Vanderbilt)
2018 - 2 (Quentin Grimes)
2019 - 7 (Drew Timme, Tyrese Maxey)
2020 - 3 (Cade Cunningham)
2021 - 6 (TBA)
2022 - 6 (TBA) 5 of the top 20
2023 - 4 (TBA)

- State of Texas has produced 9% of all top-50 basketball recruits across the last 14 classes. The caveats are important, it's a massive state/population, but having the head coaching job at the flagship school in a state producing almost five top-50 recruits every year is a big plus. For comparison, if you combine the 2020, 2021, and 2022 State of Illinois classes, you would have five top-50 recruits (Hopkins, Steward, Burnett, Miller, & Christie) total.

- University of Texas has down an awful job recruiting from this list (more later on the biggest problem). There are 65 guys on this list and they've only once or twice gotten the top in-state recruit (2023 will be the first time they undoubtedly get the best recruit - Ron Holland). Only twice do they get a top-10 guy (Holland and Myles Turner). Bountiful talent around them but they do an awful job securing it. Imagine how different their program would be perceived if they added 3 more of those top names (Marcus Smart + DeAaron Fox + Drew Timme).

- This list should make it obvious on why Texas would have interest in hiring John Calipari. He has raided the state for its best talent for over a decade (Randle + Harrison Twins + Vanderbilt + Fox + PJ Washington). There has been long-standing frustration about his success. Texas thought they turned the corner when they hired Beard, who has had success of mixing in-state preps + international talent + transfers, but he's now gone. Hiring Calipari is an easier sell to their fans than others because they can ignore the recent disappointment. The sell for them is they are taking an in-state recruiting savant and giving him a further boost by making him UT's coach. To be fair, if he can get 3-4 of these guys each year, it's not a terrible plan.
 
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ChiefIllinois

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jason88cubs said:
Does N.Dame go after Collins??
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I’m always on the fence about CCs actual coaching chops but you really have to hand it to him this year. Consensus to be a bottom 3 team in the big ten, finishing T2 after losing arguably their best player to transfer and another key piece.

He deserves a shot at a better program than NW. it’s the inconsistency that kills his resume.
 
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