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DocMorgan
FrankNitty30 said:
The pitch clock is an absolute travesty.
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Disagree. I really enjoy the pitch clock. I was drifting away from the game due to the length of games. However, still not a fan of the automatic runner in extra innings. To me it puts the visiting team at a distinct disadvantage. Kinda like high school and college football overtime rules, where the team that plays defense first has a distinct strategic advantage.
 
#77      
Navy_illini
sacraig said:
Agreed. I think NCAA NIL contracts will slowly morph to be more like pro contracts with defined lengths, performance incentives, and buyouts.

It's plausible that the donors/brands funding these will overcorrect for the current Wild West situation and end up with overly restrictive contracts as well.

I could potentially see a future where the eventual equilibrium involves a CBA for college athletes, to be honest.
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I agree with you but until a CBA is established it would be hard for schools to get the top tier player to agree to things that take power away from them. However the players are less talented may sign deals that restrict their ability to transfer if they get some benefit

Look at our previous rosters you probably could have signed DMW Trent Epps RJ Hawkins Kofi to multiple years coming out of high school if you were willing to pay them. However would Brad and player want to lose their options if player exceeded or was a bust? I would hate to pay a player like Mark Smith for four years when he obviously didn’t mesh well or worst still being paying him if we decided to cut him

I don’t see a way you could have signed Ayo or Miller multiple years preventing a transfer
 
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FrankNitty30
DocMorgan said:
Disagree. I really enjoy the pitch clock. I was drifting away from the game due to the length of games. However, still not a fan of the automatic runner in extra innings. To me it puts the visiting team at a distinct disadvantage. Kinda like high school and college football overtime rules, where the team that plays defense first has a distinct strategic advantage.
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Nah, when games and at bats are decided by such an unneeded rule, it is a travesty.
 
#79      
john1952
How many years until the athletes as colleges and univerities are unionized???
 
#80      
Rap47
If the university of Illinois basketball team became the Champaign basketball team and no connection to the university they wouldn't fill up a high school gym with fans. Without the loyal fans would be no college basketball.
 
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21ChampaignSt
SeattleSlim said:
Good idea. How about alumnus/alumna votes count 10x what non-alumni votes count?😉
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As a current grad student who lives and has spent most of my life in Illinois, my experience is that non-alumni Illini fans are just as passionate and just as many as those who are alumni. I would even argue that the passion of non-alumni is more impressive considering they have no personal affiliation with the university.
 
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Roundball Sage
john1952 said:
How many years until the athletes as colleges and univerities are unionized???
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If players see themselves as 'Labor' (and how could they not if they are being 'paid to play'?) then unionization is on the table. And there have already been a couple of attempts by players of doing just that.

That will probably anger another whole legion of College ball fans but the die has already been cast. This fundamental change of player-institution-NIL in College athletics isn't going back to the way it used to be. It is an evolution past and beyond an old system that had run its course.

Maybe I'm in a minority of fans but I enjoy the game of basketball for itself, period. It remains a terrific sport played by some of the best athletes in the World. Just because players now can make some bucks and have much greater control over their destiny to me are good things. And as the old Collegiate system fades from memory... that will join relics like when baseball players used to travel by train and the NFL was a niche sport that hardly drew flies outside of a couple cities. And the NBA itself was almost invisible for decades. All those things changed for good and are hardly remembered or cared about any more.
 
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Mr. Tibbs
the length and pace of games was getting to be WAY out of hand. they knew it and the pitch and batting clock was the easiest solution

and no one wants to see 14 inning games. if you cant get a lead and hold it after 9, its just tough luck if you lose on a 10th inning single with a runner on 2nd.
its entertainment, not an election. sure, the phantom runner isn't "pure" , but what is these days ?
 
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doowink
FrankNitty30 said:
Handing out balls and strikes on a pitch never having been pitched is the height of unneeded regulation.
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Better than spending several minutes watching a batter call time out to adjusted batting gloves, helmet, jockstrap, etc only to get into the box ready to hit and then the pitcher steps off and needs the catcher to come to the mound for a visit on crossed up signals..only to get all that situated and then have pitcher step off the rubber to signal the middle infielders who will be there if ball is hit back to the mound...all ready ...but now batter needs to step out again because 3rd base coach is switching up the signs......want me to go on
 
#88      
BretMyBeachHouse
Roundball Sage said:
If players see themselves as 'Labor' (and how could they not if they are being 'paid to play'?) then unionization is on the table. And there have already been a couple of attempts by players of doing just that.

That will probably anger another whole legion of College ball fans but the die has already been cast. This fundamental change of player-institution-NIL in College athletics isn't going back to the way it used to be. It is an evolution past and beyond an old system that had run its course.

Maybe I'm in a minority of fans but I enjoy the game of basketball for itself, period. It remains a terrific sport played by some of the best athletes in the World. Just because players now can make some bucks and have much greater control over their destiny to me are good things. And as the old Collegiate system fades from memory... that will join relics like when baseball players used to travel by train and the NFL was a niche sport that hardly drew flies outside of a couple cities. And the NBA itself was almost invisible for decades. All those things changed for good and are hardly remembered or cared about any more.
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What's interesting about the unionization of college sports is that the members keep changing.

The professional sports unions had contracts that were negotiated wherein those with longevity got the better deal. They controlled the negotiations for the players and when it came time to split the pie, less went to the rookies, etc. That's why you have rookie salaries set by union contract, 6 years to become a free agent in baseball, etc.

The owners are happy with the rookie limits because they've all been busted multiple times by failed expectations.

Not sure how this would exactly play out at the college level. But the timing of the unionization effort could very well benefit the schools. Even a first year cap would be greatly beneficial.
 
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drsmitty74
Dont know how this thread got to where it is, but, are there any updates to GA possibly getting an opportunity elsewhere? I realize that Western IL already hired a coach, but didnt know if that was the only one he was pursuing.
 
#91      
Grandpa
If I am a big wealthy businessman who advertises, and an Illini basketball player will help, I'm thinking of a Dee Brown type, I will have all sorts of incentives in my contract with him. He is advertising my product, the more air time he gets the better. Extra $$$ for individual awards, for being on magazine covers, for wins, for stats, the team on the major networks. Tourney success! If his face is there it sells my product. It has to be positive. If it's a police report our relationship would end, unless he was the good guy.
 
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BashCtIllini
BretMyBeachHouse said:
What's interesting about the unionization of college sports is that the members keep changing.

The professional sports unions had contracts that were negotiated wherein those with longevity got the better deal. They controlled the negotiations for the players and when it came time to split the pie, less went to the rookies, etc. That's why you have rookie salaries set by union contract, 6 years to become a free agent in baseball, etc.

The owners are happy with the rookie limits because they've all been busted multiple times by failed expectations.

Not sure how this would exactly play out at the college level. But the timing of the unionization effort could very well benefit the schools. Even a first year cap would be greatly beneficial.
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It would be extremely difficult in the college level, because some of the most highly sought after players are high school kids, and thus not a part of the union yet. How could you possibly address that?

Another massive problem, the best players are in college for the least amount of time. The Pros value longevity because it is their career. They want to do it for as long as possible. In college it's really the opposite. You know the window is 1-5 years. So how do you address the fact that there is more competition, and thus theoretically more money available to a 5 star high school kid than a 5th year Sr player that started as a 3 star, even if he's a key contributor?

None of this works without contracts, and someone is going to have to tell me how a contract with businesses or even a school collective can dictate what that kid has to do with a non-named third party. I can't imagine the NCAA is going to let schools be named in contracts with players and Dick Van Dyke Appliance World or the Illini Guardians. So how do you enforce any type of clauses that try to keep kids at a school? Why would a union of players want to be stuck at one school when they could get more money by transferring? Without stopping the free flow of transfers, I don't see how anything really works.

So nothing really works because college sports were not set up that way. They were never intended to. Both college football and basketball started before the NFL or NBA. Things would have to fundamentally change to facilitate fair pay and contracts in college athletics.
 
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ChiefGritty
BashCtIllini said:
It would be extremely difficult in the college level, because some of the most highly sought after players are high school kids, and thus not a part of the union yet. How could you possibly address that?
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Totally spitballing across multiple issues and legal hurdles, but like, if D1 revenue sports or whatever are a closed shop, you have to join the union in order to become a scholarship player at one of those schools.

Now, the current high school sophomores or whatever wouldn't YET be part of the bargaining unit for a new CBA, but the college players of any given moment can pretty well represent the interests of the whole life cycle, in theory.

None of this would be easy, but it's possible.
 
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BashCtIllini
ChiefGritty said:
Totally spitballing across multiple issues and legal hurdles, but like, if D1 revenue sports or whatever are a closed shop, you have to join the union in order to become a scholarship player at one of those schools.

Now, the current high school sophomores or whatever wouldn't YET be part of the bargaining unit for a new CBA, but the college players of any given moment can pretty well represent the interests of the whole life cycle, in theory.

None of this would be easy, but it's possible.
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now you're entering contracts with minors that are voidable
 
#96      
FrankNitty30
doowink said:
Better than spending several minutes watching a batter call time out to adjusted batting gloves, helmet, jockstrap, etc only to get into the box ready to hit and then the pitcher steps off and needs the catcher to come to the mound for a visit on crossed up signals..only to get all that situated and then have pitcher step off the rubber to signal the middle infielders who will be there if ball is hit back to the mound...all ready ...but now batter needs to step out again because 3rd base coach is switching up the signs......want me to go on
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Yes, because how often does all that happen? Overreaction to something that was not a problem.
 
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