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Mike Boynton orchestrated arguably the best defense in college basketball history
Then you wouldn’t mind handing the reins over to Tyler Underwood next year as he orchestrated arguably the best offense in college basketball history.

The last time Boynton was a head coach, he had a .405 record in the B12.
 
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Mike Boynton orchestrated arguably the best defense in college basketball history

mike boynton never even had a top 30 defense at ok st

avg kenpom defense rank of 61

made 1 ncaa tourney in 7 seasons

missed the nit 4 times in 7 seasons

51-75 b12 record

defense probably had more to do with mara and johnson jr than a mike boynton midas touch
 
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Oh here we go again, Devil's Advocate #1 back at it with more Michigan man love
 
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Then you wouldn’t mind handing the reins over to Tyler Underwood next year as he orchestrated arguably the best offense in college basketball history.
??? I've NEVER made a negative comment regarding Tyler running our offense. We have the best offensive system in the country (NBA scouts will probably tell you the same thing).
 
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??? I've NEVER made a negative comment regarding Tyler running our offense. We have the best offensive system in the country (NBA scouts will probably tell you the same thing).

Strawman... He didn't say you did

What he said was that you'd be okay with handing the head coaching job to Tyler this season based on your assessment of Mike Boynton (and it was a question rather than a statement... just couldn't help but notice you did the strawman thing rather than just answer the question)
 
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Mike Boynton orchestrated arguably the best defense in college basketball history
He had a 7'3 long armed rim protector that was touted as a lottery pick before coming to the US and two physical 6'9 guys that had the ability to guard 1-5(it's incredibly rare in college to have one 6'9 guy that can do that).

Nothing against Boynton but the personnel made that defense special. Just like it was Clingan and Castle that made the 24 UConn defense incredible, not a super revolutionary scheme.

Josh Schertz with the resources that Michigan has is a terrifying thought. Mike Boynton would likely be far more successful than he was at Ok St but is far preferable to them getting Schertz or someone of that caliber.
 
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Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
 
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He had a 7'3 long armed rim protector that was touted as a lottery pick before coming to the US and two physical 6'9 guys that had the ability to guard 1-5(it's incredibly rare in college to have one 6'9 guy that can do that).
Mara was the ultimate anchor defensively.

• Opponents shot just 54.7 percent at the rim when Mara was on the court versus 60.6 percent at the rim when he was off the court

• Teams shot just 36.8 percent on non-restricted-area paint shots with him on the court

• teams took only 20.4 percent of their shots at the rim when Mara was on the court

Lendeborg and Morez was also tremendous defensively.

It's a lightning in the bottle situation no doubt. Probably the 3 best defensive players in the country at their respective positions (SF / PF / C).
 
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Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
didn't Tennessee have a be really low defensive rating within last 5 years. like a 79.5 or something? I could be imagining this
 
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Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
The annual trend though, is that offenses are getting better while defenses are getting worse.

Offensive efficiency increases every year. Hence, due to the increasingly potent offenses, the defensive numbers should in theory take a step back.
 
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He was talking about if Tyler was the head coach next year (not just "offensive coordinator" from the sidelines).
If he became the coach and we retained all of our players? Yes I'd feel equally as confident about our season.

Michigan hasn't lost any of their players (which is a credit to Boynton).

I wouldn't feel good about our program moving beyond next season, because recruiting presence becomes less solidified.
 
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Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.

Was surprised to look at the metrics --I recall the Baylor team that won the natty having exceptional defense in the tournament, shutting down teams any time they needed to. But on Kenpom, they aren't even in the top 20. Their closest game and only win less than double digits was in the regional final. Probably my memory, but sometimes I feel like metrics don't really tell the story.
 
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Was surprised to look at the metrics --I recall the Baylor team that won the natty having exceptional defense in the tournament, shutting down teams any time they needed to. But on Kenpom, they aren't even in the top 20. Their closest game and only win less than double digits was in the regional final. Probably my memory, but sometimes I feel like metrics don't really tell the story.
Torvik ranks them #3 in defense for the NCAAT (min 3 games, i.e. the S16 teams), and only 0.4 pts/100 back from #1.

They only had one NCAAT game with AdjD worse than 90 (95.3) and three below 82. But of their last 9 games before the NCAAT, their best was 93.7, and they had six games worse than 100.

So they were a different team defensively in the NCAAT (or they experienced some extremes with luck).
 
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Torvik ranks them #3 in defense for the NCAAT (min 3 games, i.e. the S16 teams), and only 0.4 pts/100 back from #1.

They only had one NCAAT game with AdjD worse than 90 (95.3) and three below 82. But of their last 9 games before the NCAAT, their best was 93.7, and they had six games worse than 100.

So they were a different team defensively in the NCAAT (or they experienced some extremes with luck).
They had a massive run of COVID in their conference season and got it together again in March. Half their February was cancelled.
 
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They had a massive run of COVID in their conference season and got it together again in March. Half their February was cancelled.
Oh that's right. They were #7 in defense before that with AdjD of 88.8. Between that and the NCAAT, they were #186 with AdjD of 103.3. Then in the NCAAT their AdjD was 85.1
 
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