College Sports (Basketball)

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PepeSilvia
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
Mike Boynton orchestrated arguably the best defense in college basketball history
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He had a 7'3 long armed rim protector that was touted as a lottery pick before coming to the US and two physical 6'9 guys that had the ability to guard 1-5(it's incredibly rare in college to have one 6'9 guy that can do that).

Nothing against Boynton but the personnel made that defense special. Just like it was Clingan and Castle that made the 24 UConn defense incredible, not a super revolutionary scheme.

Josh Schertz with the resources that Michigan has is a terrifying thought. Mike Boynton would likely be far more successful than he was at Ok St but is far preferable to them getting Schertz or someone of that caliber.
 
#77      
RollChief
Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
PepeSilvia said:
He had a 7'3 long armed rim protector that was touted as a lottery pick before coming to the US and two physical 6'9 guys that had the ability to guard 1-5(it's incredibly rare in college to have one 6'9 guy that can do that).
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Mara was the ultimate anchor defensively.

• Opponents shot just 54.7 percent at the rim when Mara was on the court versus 60.6 percent at the rim when he was off the court

• Teams shot just 36.8 percent on non-restricted-area paint shots with him on the court

• teams took only 20.4 percent of their shots at the rim when Mara was on the court

Lendeborg and Morez was also tremendous defensively.

It's a lightning in the bottle situation no doubt. Probably the 3 best defensive players in the country at their respective positions (SF / PF / C).
 
#79      
mysterio2525
RollChief said:
Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
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didn't Tennessee have a be really low defensive rating within last 5 years. like a 79.5 or something? I could be imagining this
 
#80      
Fly Illini Fly!
RollChief said:
Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
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The annual trend though, is that offenses are getting better while defenses are getting worse.

Offensive efficiency increases every year. Hence, due to the increasingly potent offenses, the defensive numbers should in theory take a step back.
 
#83      
PleaseMakeABowlGame
Fly Illini Fly! said:
He was talking about if Tyler was the head coach next year (not just "offensive coordinator" from the sidelines).
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If he became the coach and we retained all of our players? Yes I'd feel equally as confident about our season.

Michigan hasn't lost any of their players (which is a credit to Boynton).

I wouldn't feel good about our program moving beyond next season, because recruiting presence becomes less solidified.
 
#84      
Calvin
RollChief said:
Obligatory "not to dog pile", because it's easy to argue against Michigan having the best defense in history last year;

But I was curious about actual stats for where Michigan, the number #1 defense last year, was ranked next to other #1 defenses, so I took the last 10 years as a sample set, and used Kenpom's Drtg. It turns out that Michigan was the lowest-rated #1 defense of the last 10 years:

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It seems like the only thing truly remarkable about their defense is that they were the first team since 2013 to be the team with the #1 defense that won the Championship. Otherwise, they were just a physically imposing team, which is why they also had a highly rated offense.
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Was surprised to look at the metrics --I recall the Baylor team that won the natty having exceptional defense in the tournament, shutting down teams any time they needed to. But on Kenpom, they aren't even in the top 20. Their closest game and only win less than double digits was in the regional final. Probably my memory, but sometimes I feel like metrics don't really tell the story.
 
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wc_illini
Calvin said:
Was surprised to look at the metrics --I recall the Baylor team that won the natty having exceptional defense in the tournament, shutting down teams any time they needed to. But on Kenpom, they aren't even in the top 20. Their closest game and only win less than double digits was in the regional final. Probably my memory, but sometimes I feel like metrics don't really tell the story.
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Torvik ranks them #3 in defense for the NCAAT (min 3 games, i.e. the S16 teams), and only 0.4 pts/100 back from #1.

They only had one NCAAT game with AdjD worse than 90 (95.3) and three below 82. But of their last 9 games before the NCAAT, their best was 93.7, and they had six games worse than 100.

So they were a different team defensively in the NCAAT (or they experienced some extremes with luck).
 
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