Conference Realignment
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Stability is entirely the wrong word to use.
We are Genghis Khan conquering all we survey, putting foreign lands to the torch and plundering their riches for ourselves, leaving the soil burned and the rivers choked with the dead.
Monstrous and unsustainable, but there are a lot of riches and the Illini have and will continue to benefit.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
settle down , Francis
CleaverName
- Chicago but not there anymore
I heard the B1G is down this year
I hate it as a fan, but one could reasonably argue traditional conferences were on borrowed time and managed to (positively) outstay their welcome for years or even decades. I don't know a single person my age (30) who wouldn't want the classic conferences back, but that isn't the world we live in, of course ... and I'm glad to be a part of the "haves," for sure.
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Yes, please......!
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Gotta think the success Amazon has had with TNF should go a long way to getting them a chance. Thinking they are the only legitimate streaming option because so many people have Prime.
I do not like the idea of growing the conference larger than 16. Bigger is not better. Quality drops when quantity increases.
Netflix is #1 at 220 million subscribers, but they haven't seemed particularly interested in sports content.
Prime has 200 million. These are global numbers of course, and both companies have major presence in countries not interested in college football.
That said, Peacock at 30 million, many of those "fake" subscriptions given for free with Comcast cable, has much, much smaller reach.
It's a pure governance failure by the sport.
In 1984, a vision of where we stand today would have horrified absolutely everyone. But individual actors, schools, conferences, TV distributors, were compelled step by step to make decisions that created these outcomes.
If the College Football Association had abandoned the confines of the NCAA as a collective in the 80's rather than suing for the right to operate as independent TV brokers within the NCAA framework, everything would have been different and almost certainly better.
And it will all end with the big football schools leaving the NCAA soon enough anyway, what a waste.
Netflix isn't even close to Amazon in the United States and Canada.
Netflix has about 73.4 million subscribers in the US and Canada.
There are 163.5 million Prime subscribers in the US alone with another 12 million or so in Canada.
But Prime subscriber does not equal Prime streaming service viewer. So while Prime would technically reach more people, I'm not sure how many of those people have ever tuned into Amazon Prime, the streaming service.
Right, a similar thing as Peacock in a way.
Though, the Amazon NFL games are getting numbers that are pretty formidable even if they're lower than NFL numbers on network TV. It's showing itself to be viable at least.
Joel Goodson
- dawgville
Right, because the NCAA has been an utterly fantastic steward of high major revenue sports.
I don't disagree but there is value in having it all under one umbrella. The Premier League spun off from the EFL. The result has been good for the Premier League and bad for clubs not regularly in the Premier League. I don't share Gritty's apocalyptic vision, but it's inevitable that any split from the NCAA by major football schools is going to come with major winners and losers, and that these knock-on effects won't be confined to football. For example, as a college basketball fan, I wonder what would become of the Tourney if the top 30 or 40 football schools leaves the NCAA. As a school steeped in Basketball tradition, would we come away worse off in certain respects even if we get accepted to the College Football version of the Premier League/NFL or whatever, but college basketball on the whole is diminished in some respect?
That was kinda my point. A lot of households in the US have access to Prime Video. Not saying it would happen but if OSU-UM was on Prime, they would figure out how to tune in. I don't really understand the Amazon side though. I don't think people are getting Prime for the streaming. Spending huge amounts of money for live sports or Lord of the Rings probably isn't moving the needle much in Prime subs.
Amazon doesn't separate Prime subscribers who watch videos from those who use the service for shipping.
Amazon Prime Surpasses 200M Subscribers, But It’s Not Exactly on Netflix’s Tail
Commish: Fans 'not in favor' of USC, UCLA move
Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said most people he's spoken to within the USC and UCLA communities are "not in favor" of the schools moving to the Big Ten.
This guy is coming across as sad, unfortunately.Commish: Fans 'not in favor' of USC, UCLA move
Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff said most people he's spoken to within the USC and UCLA communities are "not in favor" of the schools moving to the Big Ten.www.espn.com
redwingillini11
- North Aurora
I know people are skeptical about this guy, but he seems to be tapped into some in-the-know channels at Nebraska. Sure enough, he seems to indicate (and cites a $$$ post as backup) that Nebraska could be looking at USC and UCLA as protected rivals, because the B1G wants to make travel easy for the LA schools by going through Omaha (closest) and Chicago.... To me, that suggests that USC would likely be looking at protected rivalries of UCLA, Nebraska, and Northwestern (private school, sometimes good sometimes pushover), and that UCLA would be looking at USC, Nebraska, and Illinois.
I, for one, thinks it makes a lot of sense to pair us with UCLA as a protected rival in this setup (primarily basketball school with some football tradition, big state school with good academics, etc.). And it would be amazing to have biennial trip out to Pasadena. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the B1G three would love to have UCLA as a rival to be able to recruit out in LA, but each of them would have a hard time squeezing them in as a logical third rival. It could happen, but I think those schools can recruit anywhere they want to and they'd probably take a gimme game against us, Indiana, Rutgers, or Maryland to make things more simple if they have to play each other anyway.
If there is going to be a geographic element to these rivalries, I think we are very likely to get an LA school and if its UCLA I am very excited for that.
How is a guy sad for trying to hold the conference together. Any one of us in his position would try to do the same.
I don't think the quality drop is a problem. Arguably, we're increasing it with acquisitions.
For me the problem is tradition. I'm just now beginning to feel like Penn State is a member of the conference.
I have no deep seated emotions about Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, or Penn State. So it takes some of the fun out of the conference thing for me.
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