Cubs blow a 6-0 lead to lose 6-8. Yeeeeesh
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DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Start selling....
Yesterday felt like the straw that broke the camel’s back.
About 22 games to the trade deadline. Realistically, they’re going to have to decide what direction they’re going a little before then. Let’s say after the Sox series. So 18 games. Would going 13-5 get them close enough to buy? I’m not sure.
Looking forward to next year, they’re probably losing 3/4 or their effective starting pitchers in Stroman, Smyly and Hendricks, leaving a starting rotation of Steele, Taillon, Assad, Wesnesky and Brown, I guess.
Merryweather, Alzolay and Leiter might be half of a decent bullpen.
They have serious questions at DH, 1B, 3B, CF and RF and no bench to speak of. with a payroll at about $180 million before signing any free agents.
That’s pretty freaking grim. Not sure the argument for bringing Hoyer back with that being the state of things.
About 22 games to the trade deadline. Realistically, they’re going to have to decide what direction they’re going a little before then. Let’s say after the Sox series. So 18 games. Would going 13-5 get them close enough to buy? I’m not sure.
Looking forward to next year, they’re probably losing 3/4 or their effective starting pitchers in Stroman, Smyly and Hendricks, leaving a starting rotation of Steele, Taillon, Assad, Wesnesky and Brown, I guess.
Merryweather, Alzolay and Leiter might be half of a decent bullpen.
They have serious questions at DH, 1B, 3B, CF and RF and no bench to speak of. with a payroll at about $180 million before signing any free agents.
That’s pretty freaking grim. Not sure the argument for bringing Hoyer back with that being the state of things.
Thank you! He should never have been hired in the first place
You can feel the panic in the dugout through the tv.
Time to deal.
Time to deal.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
time for Ricketts to pull that GM short list out of his breast pocket.
Jed is simply not getting it done .
maybe hire the guy that puts Tampa Bay in contention every year
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Ugly, but a thriller at the end.
Ugly, but a thriller at the end.
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Again, this team makes no sense.
Again, this team makes no sense.
It’s probably not right to pin this team’s struggles on one guy, but if Jameson Taillon had just been merely below average over the first half of the season, the Cubs would likely be a couple games out of first and looking to buy at the deadline.
Guy with a career 3.84 ERA over 143 starts and 783 innings coming into this year is putting up a 6.93 ERA.
Guy with a career 3.84 ERA over 143 starts and 783 innings coming into this year is putting up a 6.93 ERA.
If Hendricks continues to pitch how he has, I see no reason not to bring him back on a 1 (or 2 ?) year deal. I don't think he has any desire to go anywhere else and won't try to break the bank.
Our biggest problem is Taillon. He's this year's Tyler Chatwood, only a lot worse.
I have no problem with you pinning their struggles on him.
They don’t need to extend Hendricks. They could just pick up his option. If he keeps pitching like he has this year, $16 million for one year would be a bargain.
I’ve been trying to find a good comparison to what’s happened with Taillon.
Edwin Jackson certainly disappointed in his first year, but didn’t completely fall off the table until his second year.
Brett Anderson was awful, but was signed to a cheap 1 year contract.
Quintana was a disappointment in that he was never the guy the Cubs thought they were getting from the Sox, but he was never outright bad, and was signed to a pretty reasonable contract relative to his performance.
Chatwood was bad, but I think everyone understood that he was a gamble, a roll of the dice that didn’t work. He didn’t have anywhere near the track record that Taillon does.
Darvish was hurt in his first season, but was back to his usual self after that.
The guy that most resembles what’s happening with Taillon is Zach Davies. Similar track record over a similar amount of innings. The idea behind bringing Davies in was getting similar numbers as Darvish from a much cheaper contract. And Davies just completely imploded. We learned later that his personal life had become a disaster, and he was pretty clearly distracted by non-baseball issues.
The differences between Davies and Taillon is that there was always a “smoke and mirrors” aspect to Davies’ successes. Taillon has way more raw talent and underlying numbers to support his successes. Taillon has also been substantially worse than even Davies’ horrible season. And the Cubs only had one year left of Davies contract, but are tied to Taillon for three more years.
Oh yeah, I forgot. My bad.
70 year cub fan here...this has been so typical of my following the Cubs! A short, very brief flash of brilliant life, followed by YEARS of under-achieving throughout the organization, always with hope for next year. NEVER a well run organization. There seems always to be a Taillon brought in to be the focal point of their downfall (see list above.) The point is- the results never change, just the faces do. And it originates from the top.
I thought that 2015 was the start of a new, never seen before era, with a plethora of young stars, break-through pitching products, a dynamic leader (Theo), a highly successful manager and new owners who were willing to spend money to improve the product.
Seven and a half years later where are we now? All we have left are the owners who seem stuck in the spin cycle, arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I see us no closer to continued success than any other time in my following the Cubs. I live in Florida now and am trying to gen up fan-ship for the Rays, but to little avail.
Stability of ownership is vital, and I think that the current ownership is as good as we've had during my lifetime (Wrigleys? Tribune?) But their tolerance for extremely mediocre leadership of the team is astounding. SOLUTION: Go outside for a proven, demanding president, general manager and field boss and dig their way out of the basement. Question every previous decision, emulate other successful organizations and get after it.
But, the REAL culprits? WE the FANS! Who fill Wrigley day after day, keeping the revenues up and preserving the status quo. I've help run successful businesses before and the hardest thing to do is CHANGE anything if the revenue stream is good. When that is threatened, ownership suddenly will listen.
That's what the Cub organization needs- a fan revolt and a revenue threat.
I thought that 2015 was the start of a new, never seen before era, with a plethora of young stars, break-through pitching products, a dynamic leader (Theo), a highly successful manager and new owners who were willing to spend money to improve the product.
Seven and a half years later where are we now? All we have left are the owners who seem stuck in the spin cycle, arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I see us no closer to continued success than any other time in my following the Cubs. I live in Florida now and am trying to gen up fan-ship for the Rays, but to little avail.
Stability of ownership is vital, and I think that the current ownership is as good as we've had during my lifetime (Wrigleys? Tribune?) But their tolerance for extremely mediocre leadership of the team is astounding. SOLUTION: Go outside for a proven, demanding president, general manager and field boss and dig their way out of the basement. Question every previous decision, emulate other successful organizations and get after it.
But, the REAL culprits? WE the FANS! Who fill Wrigley day after day, keeping the revenues up and preserving the status quo. I've help run successful businesses before and the hardest thing to do is CHANGE anything if the revenue stream is good. When that is threatened, ownership suddenly will listen.
That's what the Cub organization needs- a fan revolt and a revenue threat.
Did the 8 and 9 hitters even make contact today? I've seen enough of Wisdom and Young has really fizzled. Might as well bring back Mervis.
I really think that Stroman's 3rd straight very mediocre performance puts the nail in the coffin on him being traded. Not necessarily because how he pitched but because they lost those 3 games which would have kept them more in the race.
I really think that Stroman's 3rd straight very mediocre performance puts the nail in the coffin on him being traded. Not necessarily because how he pitched but because they lost those 3 games which would have kept them more in the race.
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DeonThomas
- South Carolina
THIS...
Taillon pitching, Gomes batting clean up, Mancini at 1st and Wisdom at 3rd.
God, why do you make me suffer like this?
I'm sure the Yankees are distraught by not re-signing Taillon.
God, why do you make me suffer like this?
I'm sure the Yankees are distraught by not re-signing Taillon.
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
1st Cubs trade? Taillon to the Yankees!!
And this is why I can't bet on sports.
Cubs record improves to 3-11 in Taillon's starts and 1-9 in new Yankee Stadium.
Who knows? Maybe they'll even win on Sunday !
Cubs record improves to 3-11 in Taillon's starts and 1-9 in new Yankee Stadium.
Who knows? Maybe they'll even win on Sunday !
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Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
until tonite , the only stadium in 105 they have played in over the years that they had not won in before
We’re over half way through the season and that performance almost dropped Taillon’s ERA by .8.
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