FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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The NCAA still doesn’t get it, they are clearing kids to play based on what the school and the kid are telling them, standard Op procedure of old. Hope the FBI makes them eat it again!!
 
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The NCAA still doesn’t get it, they are clearing kids to play based on what the school and the kid are telling them, standard Op procedure of old. Hope the FBI makes them eat it again!!

The schools are betting that the NCAA won't drop the hammer on everyone, since this is involving so many major programs.
 
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spike49

New Mexico
The schools are betting that the NCAA won't drop the hammer on everyone, since this is involving so many major programs.

That is a fool’s bet. The FBIM has the goods (i.e. the tapes). They aren’t going to sit around waiting for the NCAA, who has no dog in the NCAA hunt.

If they decide to drop the hammer, the NCAA is immaterial.
 
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Can't link, but it's in Pat Forde's article on Yahoo.

The Yahoo article was sourced solely from Dawkins’s side, mostly emails from Dawkins to his boss. He said he was shopping Bowen to Michigan State; there wasn’t anything about how Michigan State responded. Certainly much smoke around East Lansing, but “they” will need more than what Dawkins represented to Miller that he was doing.

I listened to Greenberg and Dakich’s podcast, and in between Dakich ranting and mumbling about “Izzo’s always telling everyone else what they should be doing, now he’s saying he doesn’t know anything about anything’ and “Coach K’s writing books telling everyone else how to live but he doesn’t know what’s going on”, they both agreed that Dawkins was as big a con man as they come and additional verification would be appropriate.
 
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Joel Goodson

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The Yahoo article was sourced solely from Dawkins’s side, mostly emails from Dawkins to his boss. He said he was shopping Bowen to Michigan State; there wasn’t anything about how Michigan State responded. Certainly much smoke around East Lansing, but “they” will need more than what Dawkins represented to Miller that he was doing.

I listened to Greenberg and Dakich’s podcast, and in between Dakich ranting and mumbling about “Izzo’s always telling everyone else what they should be doing, now he’s saying he doesn’t know anything about anything’ and “Coach K’s writing books telling everyone else how to live but he doesn’t know what’s going on”, they both agreed that Dawkins was as big a con man as they come and additional verification would be appropriate.

What the heck is going on with your keyboard?
 
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Joel Goodson

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Guilt by association? Didn't we just go through that with Underwood and his OSU assistant?

Not so much that. More so due to family that has coached together, would not want it to over shadow a program. I do not think the investigation is complete & would not want the distraction. Again, it is family.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...aycomcollegemensbasketball-topstories?src=rss


Suffice it to say, it’s been a long week for the Wildcats.

Though I believe we’re a long way from Miller actually being fired — his contract language is complicated, not to mention UA can’t cut someone loose just because of something that was written in a report and has yet to be proven true — it’s likely he’s coached his last game at Arizona. In many ways, he’s already been convicted in the court of public opinion.




Where there’s smoke, there’s often fire — and there’s been an awful lot of vapor coming out of the McKale Center this season
 
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Oldtoysrock

Sarasota, Florida
Link? Article I read discussed helping Dawkins sign Bridges, in exchange for helping MSU get Bowen. No money offered. Big Leap, unless there is something else I haven't seen.


There’s a crapload we all haven’t seen. Keep in mind, these are the emails from an !!!’t to his boss from just one company (ASM). How many others are out there? To think that they are not all doing it because it’s been permissible for so long is pure naïveté. And because it’s been going on, it’s essentially been a bidding war for top players to go to top bb schools, to sign with the top agents, shoe companies… It goes on and on. Is it any wonder that Groce who I think tried to play by the rules, kept missing on these top recruits? The fact that he is not a very good basketball coach, is a whole other matter.



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Joel Goodson

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There’s a crapload we all haven’t seen. Keep in mind, these are the emails from an !!!’t to his boss from just one company (ASM). How many others are out there? To think that they are not all doing it because it’s been permissible for so long is pure naïveté. And because it’s been going on, it’s essentially been a bidding war for top players to go to top bb schools, to sign with the top agents, shoe companies… It goes on and on. Is it any wonder that Groce who I think tried to play by the rules, kept missing on these top recruits? The fact that he is not a very good basketball coach, is a whole other matter.

Right, tip of the iceberg.
 
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The fact that he (Groce) is not a very good basketball coach, is a whole other matter.

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He may not have been a good coach, who knows, but no coach could succeed with the quality of players he was forced to go with. I also have to rethink if we would’ve ended up with Tillmon had Groce stayed. Tillmon would probably had turned on us as soon as Mi$$ouri had gotten to his dad regardless if Groc3 had been here or not. Just speculating of course.
 
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The more I thought about this overnight. There are a couple of things I do not understand.

1. Why is this coming out now? If there are 3000 hours of tape or what ever, would they have not had the information within a month of the initial arrests?

2. If this is all true. Why were there no legal indictments made instead of a media leak? This is now being tried in the court of public opinion, not an actual court. Breaking U.S. law vs violating NCAA rules are different animals entirely.

3. Total conspiracy theory ;) Is Sean Miller the coach that gets thrown under the bus instead of some of the bigger names in college coaching.

4. In every other article, there are statements about how this is like a traffic ticket compared to how college football recruiting works. :eek:
 
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These are not FBI leaks, these leaks most likely come from the attorney representing the person on the other end of the Miller phone call. It had to come out anyway so he choose the time.

The FBI has had this information for probably a year or more but they are not done so no need for indictments because they are still gathering evidence and the net is getting bigger.

The FBI loves to let you stew wondering what they do or don't know.

This is not TV. It will not be nicely wrapped up in 30 minutes.
 
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The more I thought about this overnight. There are a couple of things I do not understand.

1. Why is this coming out now? If there are 3000 hours of tape or what ever, would they have not had the information within a month of the initial arrests?

2. If this is all true. Why were there no legal indictments made instead of a media leak? This is now being tried in the court of public opinion, not an actual court. Breaking U.S. law vs violating NCAA rules are different animals entirely.

3. Total conspiracy theory ;) Is Sean Miller the coach that gets thrown under the bus instead of some of the bigger names in college coaching.

4. In every other article, there are statements about how this is like a traffic ticket compared to how college football recruiting works. :eek:

Might be the FBI purposely leaking a little at a time, taking down a couple of bigger fish, and hoping that a couple of others suddenly get an integrity attack and lay the whole thing out for them in order to save their own skin and make the Bureau's case easier for them.
 
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Bridges and Ayton have been cleared to play. :confused:


ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

UN-FRICKIN-BELIEVABLE!

I'd love to know who actually is making these decisions at the NCAA. That was the fastest 'no problem' judgment I think I've ever heard of. They must be in a total panic about tournament ratings if the big programs lose their stars. Or maybe the big guns at CBS have told them how to handle this. Whatever the case, seems really capricious. The idea that the school can self-report this after an internal investigation seems equally ludicrous.

Anyone follow infractions well enough to know if this is normal? I thought at a minimum players would have to miss several games for impermissible benefits.
 
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The more I think about this, the stranger it becomes. How in the hell do they make a decision on this so quickly? How can you do any kind of investigation? There's so much more to this than is typical of a player's circumstances. It just reeks to me of gloves off treatment made by one of the power brokers in the network or NCAA.

The way they're trying to sweep this under the rug reminds me of the curlers furiously sweeping in the Olympics.
 
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There’s a crapload we all haven’t seen. Keep in mind, these are the emails from an !!!’t to his boss from just one company (ASM). How many others are out there? To think that they are not all doing it because it’s been permissible for so long is pure naïveté. And because it’s been going on, it’s essentially been a bidding war for top players to go to top bb schools, to sign with the top agents, shoe companies… It goes on and on. Is it any wonder that Groce who I think tried to play by the rules, kept missing on these top recruits? The fact that he is not a very good basketball coach, is a whole other matter.



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And this is only Shoe money. There was an article listed a while back shedding some light on bagmen and how boosters make sure the prospects get taken care of. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
 
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I think a lot of the players involved in this already had an idea what was going to happen and what’s known. They’ve had weeks to make plans and decisions on what to do about certain things.
Kind of like how immediately Ayton already had a lawyer lined up who already has knowledge of what’s happening and made a statement right away.
 
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Kramer116

Chicago
These are not FBI leaks, these leaks most likely come from the attorney representing the person on the other end of the Miller phone call. It had to come out anyway so he choose the time.

The FBI has had this information for probably a year or more but they are not done so no need for indictments because they are still gathering evidence and the net is getting bigger.

The FBI loves to let you stew wondering what they do or don't know.

This is not TV. It will not be nicely wrapped up in 30 minutes.

Yea for sure, these are probably leaks from the defendant side. These Yahoo guys are good, they have a ton of information they are not going to just release it all in one day, they are going to release a little bit at a time it will be a death by a thousand nicks will be more and more big names implicated a little bit at a time.
 
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The more I think about this, the stranger it becomes. How in the hell do they make a decision on this so quickly? How can you do any kind of investigation? There's so much more to this than is typical of a player's circumstances. It just reeks to me of gloves off treatment made by one of the power brokers in the network or NCAA.

The way they're trying to sweep this under the rug reminds me of the curlers furiously sweeping in the Olympics.

Ncaa left the decisions up to the institutions. Bridges cleared by MSU compliance.
 
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