FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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#928      
TrueNorth
Can someone please explain how Kentucky and Coach Cal are not implicated in this already?
 
#929      
kcib8130
IlliniJim20 said:
Really? EveryOne?

Fine, take the money, kickback, bribe whatever you want to call it.

Just don't whine if you get caught.

Just because I have morals and ethics I suddenly give out "apples and toothbrushes "for Halloween?

I wold not take any money, so don't lump me in that group.
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Well Whoopee. This message board needs a few more people that are the P.C. police. In all reality, you've probably picked up change off the ground that wasn't yours, and put it in your pocket.

You can ride the high-horse all you want, but I would question your actions when that Adidas duffel bag shows up with $20k in it.

Even Ricky Roe's Dad took the tractor.
 
#930      
Ransom Stoddard
kcib8130 said:
Well Whoopee. This message board needs a few more people that are the P.C. police. In all reality, you've probably picked up change off the ground that wasn't yours, and put it in your pocket.

You can ride the high-horse all you want, but I would question your actions when that Adidas duffel bag shows up with $20k in it.

Even Ricky Roe's Dad took the tractor.
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There's a big difference between picking up loose change and accepting money for a service that is either illegal, unethical, or both (whether it's the service of the acceptance of money, doesn't matter).

I've been in the situation where I had to make that decision, and I'm glad I made it the way I did.
 
#931      
LJ22
geneseo said:
Maybe more at selling him/her into indentured servitude?
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Come on. Really? Let's not pretend Mom is shipping her poor little son into servitude here.

If the kid is going to go to college for basketball, he's going to play college basketball. The parent probably figures he could either play basketball for free* or play basketball and get paid. Does that make it right? Absolutely not.

If the kid is going to go pro, he's going to need an agent. This is just pre-arranging that. Does it make it right? Absolutely not.

*And by free I mean actually getting paid, just in the form of free tuition, room and board, meals, and a stipend.
 
#932      
ChazzReinhold
Ransom Stoddard said:
There's a big difference between picking up loose change and accepting money for a service that is either illegal, unethical, or both (whether it's the service of the acceptance of money, doesn't matter).

I've been in the situation where I had to make that decision, and I'm glad I made it the way I did.
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What did you do with the money? :thumb::D
 
#933      
IlliniJim20
kcib8130 said:
Well Whoopee. This message board needs a few more people that are the P.C. police. In all reality, you've probably picked up change off the ground that wasn't yours, and put it in your pocket.

You can ride the high-horse all you want, but I would question your actions when that Adidas duffel bag shows up with $20k in it.

Even Ricky Roe's Dad took the tractor.
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I am far from P.C. Police. Still doesn't mean I lack morals.

Loose change v $20k wow, silly comparison.

You don't even know me and you are questioning whether I'd take illegal payments? Boggles the mind.
 
#934      
Obelix
TrueNorth said:
I think here the parents are worse than you're making them out to be. I would imagine a significant percentage of CBB players come from below the poverty line.
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The vast majority of CBB players are of no interest to the shoe companies and agents. It is only very few players of premier interest in this game. So your assumption that all CBB players families are exposed to the same pressures/temptations is simply wrong. While the majority of CBB players have been indoctrinated in the system through AAU, the entire system is set up just to identify and funnel the select "few," those very few at the very top, the ones who the major constituents in this scheme would have interest in.

But as far as success with those top few players/families, the agents/companies/coaches who drive the system are batting at a tremendous average, and their batting average has been going up throughout the years.
 
#935      
skyIdub
miketherevelator said:
We'll see how good Rauf's sources are -- says Adidas trying to get Zion Williamson to Kansas.

https://www.chatsports.com/kansas-j...ing-steer-five-star-2018-recruit-kansas-35608
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#937      
mikedILLINI
kcib8130 said:
Well Whoopee. This message board needs a few more people that are the P.C. police. In all reality, you've probably picked up change off the ground that wasn't yours, and put it in your pocket.

You can ride the high-horse all you want, but I would question your actions when that Adidas duffel bag shows up with $20k in it.

Even Ricky Roe's Dad took the tractor.
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how many bags of 20k were left at recruits/parents house without them asking? Im not saying they always ask for "kick backs" but I would be willing to bet most of the time money wasn't just sent without it being asked for.
 
#938      
geneseo
LJ22 said:
Come on. Really? Let's not pretend Mom is shipping her poor little son into servitude here.

If the kid is going to go to college for basketball, he's going to play college basketball. The parent probably figures he could either play basketball for free* or play basketball and get paid. Does that make it right? Absolutely not.

If the kid is going to go pro, he's going to need an agent. This is just pre-arranging that. Does it make it right? Absolutely not.

*And by free I mean actually getting paid, just in the form of free tuition, room and board, meals, and a stipend.
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In the scenario we were discussing, the parent gets the $50K. Maybe it was for 18 years of back rent?
 
#939      
TrueNorth
Obelix said:
The vast majority of CBB players are of no interest to the shoe companies and agents. It is only very few players of premier interest in this game. So your assumption that all CBB players families are exposed to the same pressures/temptations is simply wrong.
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You're right I may have painted with too broad a brush there. I feel like from watching some of the big 5* recruiting sagas there seemed to be more that weren't dirty than were, but I have no behind the scenes kind of info. What do you think the percentage is of guys that the shoe companies are interested in that end up taking the money?
 
#940      
skyIdub
My dad's moral compass can beat up your honor student's bumper sticker.:D
 
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#943      
LJ22
geneseo said:
In the scenario we were discussing, the parent gets the $50K. Maybe it was for 18 years of back rent?
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I'm not saying it is right or fair or ethical, but it is far from indentured servitude.
 
#946      
PlayAZ
How many coaches (whom are getting big payouts-as are universities) from sneaker big wigs are going to come out and state no further involvement on any level?

Maybe the NCAA needs to pony up and use AAU travelling ball as a farm system, pay for the travel equally for all parties, remove direct sneaker involvement and have any and all $$$ go to them....then....wait for it....PAY the damn kids that are producing the product that generates BILLIONS for them as well as the Universities!!!

Basketball get x amount % of generated revenues, in way of stipend.
Football etc....
Volleyball etc...

Stipends vary sport to sport, but not athlete to athlete 1-12 gets the same stipend and educational value. If a kid goes PRO, great, if not he/she has been given the same opportunity as any other student/athlete in their respective sport.

Rant Over, this issue will not go away or be improved upon, much like greater issues for the same reasons....GREED!
 
#947      
sdfidaho
TrueNorth said:
Can someone please explain how Kentucky and Coach Cal are not implicated in this already?
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Well, if you read multiple blogs/articles from U.K. supporters, it's because Cal/UK don't have to pay (Anthony Davis' dad says "hi") top players to choose the Wildcats.
Apparently, all these top players want to go to Kentucky because of Cal's incredible coaching abilities and because they know they'll get paid later. The assumption then being that the ones that take cash to play at other schools are too stupid to know they'll get paid later, and/or they don't realize Cal is THE college hoops Svengali.
 
#948      
champaignchris
sdfidaho said:
Well, if you read multiple blogs/articles from U.K. supporters, it's because Cal/UK don't have to pay (Anthony Davis' dad says "hi") top players to choose the Wildcats.
Apparently, all these top players want to go to Kentucky because of Cal's incredible coaching abilities and because they know they'll get paid later. The assumption then being that the ones that take cash to play at other schools are too stupid to know they'll get paid later, and/or they don't realize Cal is THE college hoops Svengali.
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Or it could be because Kentucky is a Nike school and this scandal started with Adidas.

Nike is the next shoe to drop. So to speak.
 
#949      
TrueNorth
sdfidaho said:
Well, if you read multiple blogs/articles from U.K. supporters, it's because Cal/UK don't have to pay (Anthony Davis' dad says "hi") top players to choose the Wildcats.
Apparently, all these top players want to go to Kentucky because of Cal's incredible coaching abilities and because they know they'll get paid later. The assumption then being that the ones that take cash to play at other schools are too stupid to know they'll get paid later, and/or they don't realize Cal is THE college hoops Svengali.
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ThroughBlue on the L'Ville board is insufferable, I can't believe the audacity it takes for a Kentucky fan to go on that board and act innocent. That place has gone Henry Ford and assembly lined this process and if they haven't crossed this investigation in some way I'll be amazed.
 
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Deleted member 10676
https://energycommerce.house.gov/ne...ng-alleged-college-basketball-bribery-scheme/

“The federal government’s investigation into sports companies and basketball coaches at numerous colleges across the nation is extremely troubling and puts into serious question the NCAA’s ability to oversee its own institutions. In addition to any criminal activities, these allegations raise concerns about the effects of these predatory schemes on youth athletes and how hidden financial connections between advertisers and endorsers influence young consumers. We are requesting that the NCAA and the involved companies brief the committee on the actions they are taking to ensure that similar schemes are not happening in other sports, and how they intend to prevent it from happening in the future.”
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