FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

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One of the many answers that would fix more than it would hurt. I get (to an extent) how paying kids directly from the college itself would be an issue, but if they go out and sign with Nike or Adidas or New Balance and do commercials/ads whatever, why does that hurt the NCAA? Why should the NCAA care if these kids are making money when they are in college?

Lavar Ball looking more and more like a genius everyday.

Especially when any other student could work a paid internship there, using their skills. The blocker is that the NCAA and universities worry it would contradict the exclusivity of their own branding contracts. So maybe this FBI investigation takes those branding contracts away. Then there's no conflict.
 
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whatahack

St. Peters MO
I think this a good point that is lost in this debate. The dollar value added by the player is relative to the system that has been created by the NCAA and the collegiate system in general. I watch Illinois games because I went there and a team identity has been created around that connection. A lot of people watch because the exposure the NCAA created attracted and then kept them. I don't want to watch the Joliet Jackrabbits play the Dayton Dipsticks with some kids playing AAU style ball to boost their profile.

Do you know where I can get a Dayton Dipsticks jersey????
 
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Especially when any other student could work a paid internship there, using their skills. The blocker is that the NCAA and universities worry it would contradict the exclusivity of their own branding contracts. So maybe this FBI investigation takes those branding contracts away. Then there's no conflict.

I see what you're thinking here, and formally welcome you and ChiefIllini to Team "Pay These Kids"! (Team PTK for short -- I know, not the best, but I'm open to suggestions)

I could see this getting very tricky given the amount of money the shoes companies are spending. Adidas just paid $191 million and $160 million to Kansas and Louisville respectively. They aren't going to lose that for nothing. And the schools aren't going to give up that sweet, sweet cash without a fight either.

I think realistically, the kid will pick the shoe company first, and then pick a university that is affiliated with that company -- which again -- is already happening. But then still be free to pursue non-sports apparel related sponsorship from other companies.
 
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I see what you're thinking here, and formally welcome you and ChiefIllini to Team "Pay These Kids"! (Team PTK for short -- I know, not the best, but I'm open to suggestions)

I could see this getting very tricky given the amount of money the shoes companies are spending. Adidas just paid $191 million and $160 million to Kansas and Louisville respectively. They aren't going to lose that for nothing. And the schools aren't going to give up that sweet, sweet cash without a fight either.

I think realistically, the kid will pick the shoe company first, and then pick a university that is affiliated with that company -- which again -- is already happening. But then still be free to pursue non-sports apparel related sponsorship from other companies.

Well the fight could be a congressional hearing as the result of an FBI investigation, no? I mean it's obvious this cord needs to be severed. There is no reason a university should be getting branding contracts.

When Brian Urlacher pushes his hair cream on all of us driving down 294-S he's not wearing Bears or NFL merch. Put that same rule in, see how many people can actually name a one and done like Brian Bowen on a billboard without a UL jersey on. Do you think Addidas would pay him that much when he can't even wear the product in a game?
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Do you know where I can get a Dayton Dipsticks jersey????

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ACC suffering buyer's remorse. Didn't realize Louisville was so mucked up from head to toe. The Guv fired the entire Board of Trustees? mercy.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-spt-louisville-scandal-acc-20170928-story.html

Wow. You know when a writer suggests that the ACC, whose highest profile institutions are the "pure as the newly fallen snow" programs such as Clemson Miami and UNC, has somehow had its reputation undermined or sullied by adding Louisville, that the level of hypocrisy in college sports, like the level of cheating, is approaching infinity.

The only difference between Louisville and the others is the level at which they got caught - though I do think that the FBI may also have been involved peripherally in the Miami fiasco involving the booster (Nevin Shapiro?). Let's kick them out of the ACC - that will clean things right up.
 
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I could see this getting very tricky given the amount of money the shoes companies are spending. Adidas just paid $191 million and $160 million to Kansas and Louisville respectively.

But that value is based on the exposure they get from NCAABB. Destroy that avenue and they'll put that ad money somewhere else. But the reason it's lucrative is because the NCAA has allowed that exploitation and fostered it. If schools can't wear branded gear then the shoe companies go away.
 
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But that value is based on the exposure they get from NCAABB. Destroy that avenue and they'll put that ad money somewhere else. But the reason it's lucrative is because the NCAA has allowed that exploitation and fostered it. If schools can't wear branded gear then the shoe companies go away.

I think it has gone beyond allowed and fostered to "built a multi-billion dollar enterprise around" the exception. The schools use the money to improve their programs. The improved programs result in better product to televise. The NCAA tourney is, according to Kantar Media, the second most valuable post-season advertising franchise (after the NFL playoffs), generating roughly $1.25 billion in annual advertising revenue. If the shoe companies go away, someone else will have to subsidize the industry.
 
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I think it has gone beyond allowed and fostered to "built a multi-billion dollar enterprise around" the exception. The schools use the money to improve their programs. The improved programs result in better product to televise. The NCAA tourney is, according to Kantar Media, the second most valuable post-season advertising franchise (after the NFL playoffs), generating roughly $1.25 billion in annual advertising revenue. If the shoe companies go away, someone else will have to subsidize the industry.

1.25 billion in advertising revenue...for CBS and the NCAA. Nobody has to subsidize that. They'll still show the games without the shoe companies. I agree the shoe contract money to programs would be a loss, but not the whole pot. Still generate money off of selling unbranded merchandise. Still sell tickets, still have TV contracts, etc.
 
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1.25 billion in advertising revenue...for CBS. Nobody has to subsidize that. They'll still show the games without the shoe companies. I agree the shoe contract money to programs would be a loss, but not the whole pot. Still generate money off of selling unbranded merchandise. Still sell tickets, still have TV contracts, etc.

CBS pays NCAA for the rights to broadcast the games. I'm not suggesting that CBS will end up with less; rather that the decline in the funding from shoe companies will end up hurting the NCAA and the member institutions the most. The money leaving the system from the shoe companies will have to be made up by others. The system is flawed - in that it simply can't account for improved product with less revenue. That is part of the reason that there is no real effort to punish all but the worst offenders or to truly "clean up" college sports. Nobody really wants to pay the price, especially at a time when revenues will need to go up to pay players.
 
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With all of the corruption that has been leaked within the college basketball world, I think it is time to thank John Groce, Bruce Weber and their staffs for maintaining a high standard of integrity and honesty. We did get a few nut punches along the way, but our prior staff recruited some young men that were professional and classy (Brandon Paul, Meyers Leonard, Malcolm Hill,Maverick Morgan,Tyler Griffey just examples). Obviously, some of our prior players had made some mistakes that we can't ignore. But we must remember that these are all emerging adults, and they must learn from their mistakes. I am proud to be an Illini fan now more than ever. We have been doing it the right way, and thats what college sports is all about. It's not all about winning, yes it is great to be a the top, but at the end of the day its about building relationships with the community, being respectful to the media and fans, teaching young men to have strong morale principles and using their platform to make an impact in the community. If Groce and Weber did anything right, it was all of those things. Truly great, honest people that went about their business the right way. I have nothing but respect for them. If Underwood and his staff can maintain half of the standard of excellence that our previous coaches did than I can't complain (as well as putting out an exciting product on the floor) ILL

I’ve been thinking about something like this, but then I realized we will never really know. We never got those high-level kids to commit despite the fact that we were recruiting them, so maybe we dodged a bullet, but maybe we also played dirty until somebody else play dirtier.
 
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sacraig

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Here in Tucson there's at least one local business who is removing Sean Miller from their advertisements.
 
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That is a great article!

"....until basketball and football players have what baseball and hockey players have had for more than a century, a viable minor league for those who want to be paid and don't want to be students, giving those athletes no option other than college sports will never work very well."

I think this is the best hoped for outcome. I HATE the idea of college players being paid in any fashion even if its above board in a 'free market' fashion/highest bidder. Is that what we signed on for as enthusiasts for college sports? Not me. If your coming out of highs school and you want to be paid for your services go to the minors/pros. If you want to be a student athlete and get an education while playing sports, go to college.

I am repulsed by the idea of universities in bidding wars for high school players in an open fashion as suggested. That would be the end of college sports for me.

Couldn't agree more
 
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That is a great article!

"....until basketball and football players have what baseball and hockey players have had for more than a century, a viable minor league for those who want to be paid and don't want to be students, giving those athletes no option other than college sports will never work very well."

I think this is the best hoped for outcome. I HATE the idea of college players being paid in any fashion even if its above board in a 'free market' fashion/highest bidder. Is that what we signed on for as enthusiasts for college sports? Not me. If your coming out of highs school and you want to be paid for your services go to the minors/pros. If you want to be a student athlete and get an education while playing sports, go to college.

I am repulsed by the idea of universities in bidding wars for high school players in an open fashion as suggested. That would be the end of college sports for me.
agree....if NBA teams changed rules to allow signing HS kids...but they have to compete in G league or minor league until they are 20, I think the tide could shift.

you'd probably lose most 5 stars from college and you'd have millionaires playing in G league, but I think it would reduce corruption from NCAAB. Would boost interest in G league too (ala Tebow effect in minor league baseball).

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I thought BWood handled the local media questions regarding this issue fairly well. Not sure what else you can say at this point until it plays out and more is known
 
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BU was tentative, somewhat reluctant to want to answer, and deflected the media questions at times, yet still stayed professional without being combative. This is understandable with the current situation and credit is due to him for remaining pretty much neutral. It was great he stayed on topic on the first day of actual practice, as he should, and focus on the team in moving forward with a program that has lots and lots of potential this year.
 
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Re: Potential for minor league system in basketball:

Here are links to NCAA baseball home attendance figures and MiLB Class A Midwest League (covering much of the B1G footprint)

2015 NCAA Baseball Attendance

MiLB Midwest League attendance

I thought this might be interesting for the discussion. Obviously baseball is a different animal for attendance comparison. Southern and Western schools average much better attendance, while of the B1G schools, only Nebraska, Indiana and Illinois ranked in the top 50, so weather is likely a huge factor for baseball and wouldn't have the same effect for basketball.

One thing I find interesting though is the difference in regional interest. Rockford had trouble drawing and nearby Beloit has the lowest attendance in the league. Peoria and Quad Cities seem to draw significantly better. Not sure if that is mainly due to proximity to major league teams (Cubs, Brewers) or other factors. Kane County seem to draw pretty well.

Anyway, kind of getting off topic. Just thought the comparison might relate to viability of minor league basketball and how development of such a league might affect Division 1 college bball.
 
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". . . it hit me that afternoon that the bad guys seem to have taken control of the big-time game. Everyone has to deal with the sneaker company sleazebags and the street agents and the AAU coaches and, the newest phenomenon, the guys dealing players under the guise of "financial advisor". I'm not just talking the so-called outlaw schools, I'm talking everyone and anyone who dreams of the Final Four, or for that matter, the Sweet Sixteen."

John Feinstein, writing in the introduction to The Last Amateurs, in the year 2000.

What makes us think any of this will change?
 
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