I see you are new here. Bienvenidos.
Long time lurker. Finally started posting.
Spent a long time on the other board but there are some real weirdos who spend all their time insulting each other and bad mouthing our players and coaches.
I see you are new here. Bienvenidos.
Long time lurker. Finally started posting.
Spent a long time on the other board but there are some real weirdos who spend all their time insulting each other and bad mouthing our players and coaches.
Long time lurker. Finally started posting.
Spent a long time on the other board but there are some real weirdos who spend all their time insulting each other and bad mouthing our players and coaches.
In recent seasons new season tix available mid-AugustI wasn't sure where to post this, but does anyone have any info on when season tickets will become available for purchase? Thanks.
AugustAnyone know when Alstork will be on campus with the team?
In the recruiting thread people keep talking about needing a 3 needing a 4, etc. after watching videos and reading things and listening to interviews I am pretty sure that is not how coach Underwood recruits.
I am pretty sure he recruits just ones, twos and fives. Obviously, bigger ones and twos are preferred, but the whole 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 is not what coach wants/needs.
Can someone inform me if I am wrong, please?
For too deep into the 2016-17 Illini basketball season, one player was allowed to have the basketball in his hands during meaningful minutes.
He was allowed to dribble and pass and defend. And those things he did reasonably well. But he was also allowed to shoot and be a part of an opponent’s defensive game plan, and that he did not do well. Never did, never will.
Much earlier than it happened, someone with the authority to do so needed to tell head coach John Groce that Jaylon Tate needed to participate in offensive basketball only from his seat on the bench. Te’Jon Lucas, for all his freshman flaws, needed to be pushed into the point guard role and allowed time-on-the-job training and development.
Meh... Tupper is a hypocrite on this one. Just last year, Jaylon Tate's senior year (already had seen Tate for 3 years), when things started to well, Tupper wrote articles praising Tate and was going to programs saying that Illini fans were wrong and could not understand Tate's contributions. Then he turned on him. Shame, no need to bring Tate into this to feel good about the current team.
http://herald-review.com/sports/ill...cle_cef624be-ecfa-570f-9ca1-cf0d42a1730f.html
well said goldie....agree article is "shabby"..there's even a typo.I agree that recent article is pretty shabby work by Tupper... maybe some someone should have told Groce not to play him, or maybe they did and he didn't listen... or "it's possible" Lucas wasn't ready... what the hell is the point of all that other than drag Tate through the mud once more for old times sake?
I mean I understand the point is to say that Alexander needs to offer Underwood a second opinion even if it runs counter to his own. But the Tate example he uses to support this premise, he seems to have no idea whether anyone actually did or did not do that... so why talk about it?
... what the hell is the point of all that other than drag Tate through the mud once more for old times sake?
I think this board was pretty blunt about Tate for the last 4 years.... what the hell is the point of all that other than drag Tate through the mud once more for old times sake?
jcgoldie, I understand your point that it may not be worthwhile to bring up old criticisms of a player who is gone and whose coach was fired....BUT...I would like to make a point about the "rules of engagement" for critical discussion on this forum: It seems like there are those who don't want us to criticize current players for fear of discouraging them and not showing the proper support for our currently-playing basketball warriors; THEN, there are those who say we shouldn't criticize recruits for fear of chasing them away; THEN there are those who say it is pointless to criticize players after they leave because we are just "dragging them through the mud".
Well, geeeezzzz, when are we supposed to express blunt opinions about Illini players...never????
jcgoldie, I understand your point that it may not be worthwhile to bring up old criticisms of a player who is gone and whose coach was fired....BUT...I would like to make a point about the "rules of engagement" for critical discussion on this forum: It seems like there are those who don't want us to criticize current players for fear of discouraging them and not showing the proper support for our currently-playing basketball warriors; THEN, there are those who say we shouldn't criticize recruits for fear of chasing them away; THEN there are those who say it is pointless to criticize players after they leave because we are just "dragging them through the mud".
Well, geeeezzzz, when are we supposed to express blunt opinions about Illini players...never????
I agree that recent article is pretty shabby work by Tupper... maybe some someone should have told Groce not to play him, or maybe they did and he didn't listen... or "it's possible" Lucas wasn't ready... what the hell is the point of all that other than drag Tate through the mud once more for old times sake?
I mean I understand the point is to say that Alexander needs to offer Underwood a second opinion even if it runs counter to his own. But the Tate example he uses to support this premise, he seems to have no idea whether anyone actually did or did not do that... so why talk about it?
jcgoldie, I understand your point that it may not be worthwhile to bring up old criticisms of a player who is gone and whose coach was fired....BUT...I would like to make a point about the "rules of engagement" for critical discussion on this forum: It seems like there are those who don't want us to criticize current players for fear of discouraging them and not showing the proper support for our currently-playing basketball warriors; THEN, there are those who say we shouldn't criticize recruits for fear of chasing them away; THEN there are those who say it is pointless to criticize players after they leave because we are just "dragging them through the mud".
Well, geeeezzzz, when are we supposed to express blunt opinions about Illini players...never????
Didn't Lucas have an injury right before the season that limited his time early on?
It seems Groce was left with no good choices at PG (which is basically the story of his tenure here).
His injury happened during his high school season, but it was severe enough that he was not cleared to play until the first day of practice in October. He missed all of the spring and summer workouts.
Never would be perfect! All responsibility resides on the shoulders of the very highly paid coach, not the 18-22 year old kid that is pouring his heart and soul into the program while adjusting to being away from home, trying to keep grades up, adjusting to independence and the transition to adulthood and being held to a higher moral standard than most other students on campus.
Never??? Really ? Okay, let's close down the Illinois Loyalty basketball forums right now.
Just a really dirty play. My first time seeing it. No place for that.
I agree that recent article is pretty shabby work by Tupper... maybe some someone should have told Groce not to play him, or maybe they did and he didn't listen... or "it's possible" Lucas wasn't ready... what the hell is the point of all that other than drag Tate through the mud once more for old times sake?
I mean I understand the point is to say that Alexander needs to offer Underwood a second opinion even if it runs counter to his own. But the Tate example he uses to support this premise, he seems to have no idea whether anyone actually did or did not do that... so why talk about it?