The best part is all those games are winnable.
Illini Basketball 2017-2018
The best part is all those games are winnable.
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I would say an upper Big 10 team wins them at their in season strength - I think we are still learning the ropes of the O and with alot of reliance on Frosh, away games will still be a new experience. So clearly we're still not where we will be given new coach, new O and high reliance on new guys. 2 months from now, i think we win these. Unfortunately, some of the pre-conf. opponents have been rude and defended us via zone rather than allowing us to further practice our spread O.
Bubba Eder
- Northeast Missouri
Black and Finke will outscore Hill and Morgan? I love this year's team, and the coaching change, but there is no way Black and Finke outscore Hill and Morgan. Our extra scoring will have to come from elsewhere. I agree with the statement that our bench is far, far better.
Black/Finke at 29.5 so far. Hill/Morgan at 27.1 last year for the season. I would expect our scoring to decrease enough during the BIG schedule that Black/Finke will fall below 27... But I don't think it's a crazy prediction.
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Sure, the BIG start will affect point totals, but the one thing to remember is we've probably already had more O Rebound points Season to Date vs all of last year. We send a lot to the boards now whereas under JG we ran like cockroaches as if a light was turned on to get back on D once any shot went up.
blackdog
- Champaign
Especially since our transition defense was so terrible anyway. Its really more about effort than anything else anyway.
I'd like to see how good we are at this point. :thumb: I would temper this because we may lose all three and still become a really good team because we still have a way to go with Underwood's system.
how many times do I remember seeing one Illini slugging it out with 4 opponents for the ball :frustrated:
JFGsCoffeeMug
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- Chicago
The NCAA compiles a bunch of stats. It's kind of fun to see how we measure up against everyone else: http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/rank...ng_period=18&sport_code=MBB&team_individual=T
Through 11/26/17, we are:
The above list gives you a decent idea of what BU emphasizes in practice.
Through 11/26/17, we are:
- #28 in AST:TO ratio
- #35 in ASTs/game
- #16 in FT attempts
- #9 in FTs made
- #27 in OREBs/game
- #19 in Scoring margin
- #23 in Scoring offense
- #54 in Total ASTs
- #2 in TO margin
- #5 in forcing TOs
The above list gives you a decent idea of what BU emphasizes in practice.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
It will be interesting to see what those numbers look like at season's end. We have had one of the easiest schedules in the country, that changes soon.
Looking at the conference a little more than half way through the non-conf. Sagarin's blended metric, BIG teams:
2 MSU
7 Purdue
23 Minney
31 Wiscy
35 MD
41 scUM
54 PSU
66 NW
67 OSU
78 ILLINI
80 Indy
86 Iowa
95 Neb
106 Rutgers
Others:
36 Missouri
60 UNLV
Plenty of decent teams on the schedule, but really only 1 elite team (MSU). We just need to get better and win.
2 MSU
7 Purdue
23 Minney
31 Wiscy
35 MD
41 scUM
54 PSU
66 NW
67 OSU
78 ILLINI
80 Indy
86 Iowa
95 Neb
106 Rutgers
Others:
36 Missouri
60 UNLV
Plenty of decent teams on the schedule, but really only 1 elite team (MSU). We just need to get better and win.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Calvin, you don't think that being ranked #7 is elite?
Purdue's been inconsistent, and I'm not sure the win over AZ is all that impressive given AZ has dropped out of the rankings. The Louisville win is also suspect given they've played no one. I reserve elite for the handful of teams that are favored for the FF, or right there among them, so I probably wouldn't put them in that category. YMMV
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I would say those are some very difficult standards.
But... your grades, your scale.
Although, that means that 20-25% of all elite teams, in the NATION are both, in the conference and on our schedule, TWICE. Whoa... that’s pretty intense.
I've seen this a lot, not just from you, so I'm quoting you for the general context.
Do people realize that it doesn't matter what "number position" Kipper plays offensively, if he is in the perimeter 4, anywhere but the pinch post, his responsibilities don't change? He's gonna dribble, pass, catch, cut, post, look for cutters, fill around the key, or run the 2 man game.
Defensively maybe, his matchup changes, maybe not. But offensively, 3 or 4, it is literally the same thing. Recruiting a big impacts minutes distribution, but not positional distribution.
BirdDog9048
The Chief Lives
- Chicago, IL
That is all true, but it does affect who is guarding him in a man-to-man scheme, because other teams do have 3s and 4s. If he is the 3rd biggest guy on the court, instead of the 2nd biggest guy on the court, defensive assignments change.
Wouldn't it also affect who would be guarding him?
And getting 2s and 3s guarding him probably does him no favors. I mean, he will have a size advantage, but I think it is to our advantage to have a slower "post" man guarding him. Mostly though, he has guys that are similar size playing the 4 for other teams, too.
And in the flow of the offense he’d be in position to post up smaller defenders or drive/slash vs bigger, slower ones. The basic offense has an answer to matchups and that’s not including the scheming BU would do.
I do not agree, 3 and 4 are not offensively the same thing at all. A SF and and a PF are not the same thing, and it is the same argument that was made when Malcolm Hill (who was a SF) was playing totally out of position at the 4.