Illini Basketball 2021-2022

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lstewart53x3

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Ken said:
This assumption is based on what just them being freshmen ? Ive watched far too many college games this year to buy into this line of thinking. I think all the freshmen could contribute in some way if given the minutes . The problem is that you'd have to sit an upperclassmen to do it and BU is committed to them all the way. Now thats not necessarily a bad thing to do but you also have to weigh the potential long term consequences for the short term gain.
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This is the first year that BU hasn’t started a true freshman (Ayo, Kofi, and Miller all started as true freshman. Even Mark Smith started as a true freshman much of his freshman year).

BU is not opposed to playing freshman, if they’re ready to play and can help us win.

He’s with these kids every day. I trust his judgement on who should play.
 
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ElGran

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Ken said:
This assumption is based on what just them being freshmen ? Ive watched far too many college games this year to buy into this line of thinking. I think all the freshmen could contribute in some way if given the minutes . The problem is that you'd have to sit an upperclassmen to do it and BU is committed to them all the way. Now thats not necessarily a bad thing to do but you also have to weigh the potential long term consequences for the short term gain.
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BU would seem to agree that FR can contribute as Goode played a significant role in the MSU game. I don't think BU or any other coach is "committed to the upperclassmen" per se. They are committed to winning games and they will play the guys that give them the best chance of winning.

Coaches see these guys practice every day. They know what they can contribute. Obviously Goode has demonstrated in practice (and now in games) that he can contribute. And thus the coaches are giving him significant minutes in close games.
 
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Joel Goodson

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lstewart53x3 said:
This is the first year that BU hasn’t started a true freshman (Ayo, Kofi, and Miller all started as true freshman. Even Mark Smith started as a true freshman much of his freshman year).

BU is not opposed to playing freshman, if they’re ready to play and can help us win.

He’s with these kids every day. I trust his judgement on who should play.
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ElGran said:
BU would seem to agree that FR can contribute as Goode played a significant role in the MSU game. I don't think BU or any other coach is "committed to the upperclassmen" per se. They are committed to winning games and they will play the guys that give them the best chance of winning.

Coaches see these guys practice every day. They know what they can contribute. Obviously Goode has demonstrated in practice (and now in games) that he can contribute. And thus the coaches are giving him significant minutes in close games.
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CV Illini

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Ken said:
This assumption is based on what just them being freshmen ? Ive watched far too many college games this year to buy into this line of thinking. I think all the freshmen could contribute in some way if given the minutes . The problem is that you'd have to sit an upperclassmen to do it and BU is committed to them all the way. Now thats not necessarily a bad thing to do but you also have to weigh the potential long term consequences for the short term gain.
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The assumption is based on what goes on in practice and a young players ability to learn a system that is defense first. I'm glad you've "watched" a lot of college basketball games. I will continue to trust BU's in-game decisions. If you have some insight other than watching games I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, let Brad do his thing. I'd say he's earned it. To complain about coaching decisions of a guy who has won more games than any other coach in the big 10 the last 2+ years is crazy talk. But everyone is entitled to an opinion I guess.
 
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I think this "let's see what he can do" mentality is based on the fan wanting to see (since they don't see players practice). But the thing is the coaches do see the players practice and they use what they show in practice as their best indicator of what they can do in a game.

No coach that doesn't want to get fired is going to throw a player out there to "see what he can do" in any somewhat close game.

It's not a matter of "loyalty" to the upperclassmen. It's a matter of loyalty to keeping their their job.
 
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ptgd1

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CV Illini said:
It's no secret his weakness is on the offensive side of the ball. It's also no secret he can defend about every position on the floor and do it at an "elite" level. BU knows what he's doing. Can we just accept it and move on? RJ will play if and when coach feels he won't be a massive liability on defense.
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Yup!
 
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hoopsfan47

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The guys we see play significant minutes will ALL make blunders at times. It is somewhat natural for us to wonder what the guys we don't see play a lot of minutes can do. They likely don't make those blunders....but likely make other blunders that BU feels do not warrant PT for them. Like everyone, I really like this group of frosh. A deep curiosity dwells in my mind as to why RJ, who seems to be a plus player every time he sees the floor, does not warrant more minutes. That said, it is simply my curiosity and no deep conviction that he should get more PT....just to put in my bank of experience, knowledge, and wisdom...of which BU is and should be totally unaware.
 
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WhiteHorseWings

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ElGran said:
I think this "let's see what he can do" mentality is based on the fan wanting to see (since they don't see players practice). But the thing is the coaches do see the players practice and they use what they show in practice as their best indicator of what they can do in a game.

No coach that doesn't want to get fired is going to throw a player out there to "see what he can do" in any somewhat close game.

It's not a matter of "loyalty" to the upperclassmen. It's a matter of loyalty to keeping their their job.
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Where is the AI gif when you need it
 
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BretMyBeachHouse

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NJJ871 said:
Pining for freshman to play more is a first cousin of demanding that the backup QB be put in.
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If the freshman play more it's just a waste since they'll lose their spots to the next recruiting class. It has the added disadvantage to discouraging recuits in the following class.
 
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ElGran

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hoopsfan47 said:
The guys we see play significant minutes will ALL make blunders at times. It is somewhat natural for us to wonder what the guys we don't see play a lot of minutes can do. They likely don't make those blunders....but likely make other blunders that BU feels do not warrant PT for them. Like everyone, I really like this group of frosh. A deep curiosity dwells in my mind as to why RJ, who seems to be a plus player every time he sees the floor, does not warrant more minutes. That said, it is simply my curiosity and no deep conviction that he should get more PT....just to put in my bank of experience, knowledge, and wisdom...of which BU is and should be totally unaware.
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To be fair, RJ has been hurt (ankle) the last two weeks.
 
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BRucks

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pruman91 said:
yep....the frosh are what we called years ago , paying their dues with the experienced players we have this year......I doubt any transfer as i see them lookng bought in when there is a timeout and the interaction on the bench....
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Heck, freshmen weren't even eligible until '72.
 
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pruman91

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I'm as mad as anyone about Trent's snub.......he works his tail off guarding and holding the player he is guarding to minimal points and more importantly minimal effect on the outcome of the game....

Just look at the msu game ......Trent guarded Christie at a height disadvantage and held him to 2 points ....Christie is , I believe , a 5 time winner of frosh of the week B1G.....Trent had him so flustered that Christie was a TO machine and had zero effect on the game ....As Brad said , he had a night off b/c of Trent....

It's such a shame to see Trent work so hard at being an elite defender and then some overrated player like TJD be on that list ....I have watched 5-6 loosiers
games and I don't ever remember TJD having any impact on the game defensively ........None whatsoever.............
 
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HensonHall71

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blackdog said:
You will want to click the link and read the whole thread by the author

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1487200065982812163
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Good for Brad- in todays era of advanced stats available to all who want them it is a shock that committees like the Naismith DPOY are selected by members who simply look at steals and blocks (TJD bags 2.8 blocks per game hence his inclusion)

Really no excuse for the voters not to be up on the advanced metrics- or simply watch games of the players, that would help too
 
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Epsilon

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blackdog said:
You will want to click the link and read the whole thread by the author

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1487200065982812163
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Thanks for the heads up. I think that PPP number is particularly revealing, because not only do his opponents shoot poorly (numbers and percentages included in link) but PPP also reveals that many times they aren’t even able to get a shot off. Eff steals, I’d take Trent’s D any day. I mean, can you imagine a whole team of players keeping an opponent to .556 PPP? That’s freaking insane!
 
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Illini_Jack

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I know I'm late to the party about this but Brad was so fired up about Trent not being a finalist for that defensive award. 😂
 
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JSpence

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pruman91 said:
So , the nitwits who compiled this list thinks TJD is the best defensive player in the B1G ???

I want some of that weed their toking cause my stash never made me think that delusional...........I can't stop laughing ....what a joke....

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So... FIFTEEN players to choose from. They get one from the BigTen who isn't even the best defender on his team and five from the SEC. Well done.

Somehow skipped over the guy who has been one of the best defenders in the country for over three years.

Thank you, Trent, for playing fundamental basketball instead of risking your minutes going for steals.
 
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mydosburns

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blackdog said:
You will want to click the link and read the whole thread by the author

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1487200065982812163
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The whole data worth reading for those non reddit users. I should also mention Rodnell is Trent's dad.
 
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phats22

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I was thinking about this more, statistics can be scary.

What if instead the advance on ball defense stat breakdown it was just called a 'basketball kidnap'?

Like, 'Trent Frazier is the best basketball kidnapper in the country. He physically and emotionally removes the other team's best player each minute he defends them on court leaving them in a state of existential crisis which then turns to basketball Stockholm syndrome. All players are returned to the bus unharmed.'

Thoughts?
 
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