sbillini
- st petersburg, fl
Though I agree with this in most instances, but I'm actually a fan of the Benetti/Hummel combo. that might make me an outlier, but i think they have a good combo of bball knowledge and comradery.
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Though I agree with this in most instances, but I'm actually a fan of the Benetti/Hummel combo. that might make me an outlier, but i think they have a good combo of bball knowledge and comradery.
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
Super cool (and not just because we’re the best!), thanks for sharing.
The hope for the Illini (as drilled into my brain by my drill sergeant of 50 years ago) is “go left”
Some very interesting things here. I'm wondering where he got the data from, and if it's free for all to view.
-Purdue and Arizona are 2 of the best and also happen to be 2 of our losses
-Northwestern is surprisingly towards the top left
-Gonzaga and Baylor are surprisingly toward the bottom right. Maybe they play in such a way that they don't have a large sample size of plays under 10 seconds?
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
Honestly I’m not sure I agree — the only goal is “go up”. The turnover/ppp correlation is interesting, and certainly on aggregate it makes sense that a lower TO% is a contributor to more points per possession. But too much focus on the TO% and there’s a risk of becoming passive and settling for a bad shot. So I guess what I’m really saying is: I’d love to see us go left, but only if we do it by trying to go up.
These narratives that people come up with are ridiculous
I think one could argue and quite effectively that DMW complete lack of offense allowed Ivey to roam free and play like a free safety because he was everywhere but in situations where he ended up on a offensive threat that could beat him off the dribble ala Trent or Belo he fouled .
Giddy 6'5
Ivey 6'4
Stefanovic 6'5
Weve seen this too many times and know how these matchup's play out . I think in this circumstance we win this game if we gave Hawkins the defensive assignment on Ivey . DMW does great against plodding bigger guys its the the guys with quicks, a good motor and athleticism that he cant handle
Good point. Teams know too give Monte room as he has a slow trigger to shoot and he has no quickness to the basket. It does hurt his D as players cheat so to run the break faster. We need a quicker more athletic guy on him which Hawk is. I am not purposely trashing Monte but he does have handicaps that teams expose. He is a great team mate and loves the Illini but his skill set is more of a role player than a 20 plus minute a game player.
Hawkins had the flu and basically wasn’t available. I agree he might have been effective on Ivey, but as the original poster said TF and DMW were effective overall on D against Ivey. I saw several instances where Curbelo and Plummer could not stop Ivey.
The trickle down effect of losing Hawkins in the defensive rotation was probably bigger than the direct impact of making Iveys life difficult but
... If we're at full strength for the rematch, I really like our chances for a roadkill.Nobody was really effective saying that our 6ft smallish guards couldn't stop the 6'4 athletic wing is not really newsworthy when the guy was at SF most of the night and basically had the nigh off on defense.
That clip I showed was every play that kid made and its while its a couple of instances of Belo and Plummer in it its primarily filled with him using his athleticism and quickness to beat Monte to the ball on the glass and then beat him up the floor with the ball often times drawing a foul on a teammate.
Ivey made 3 field goals but used his athleticism ,quickness, and motor to do damage but considering at this stage of his career hes shooting the three this season no better than DMW that was actually the only way he could hurt us and he did .
Another game of their big wings dominate our big wings and we lose
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
I have not observed Hawkins to have tremendous lateral speed on defense. If he guards Ivy all night, I see him getting beat on a first step and then reaching and getting called for it.
I hear the points being made about DMW's limitations, but I think he may be the best option on an Ivy type.
I hear the points being made about DMW's limitations, but I think he may be the best option on an Ivy type.
Not sure what you were watching, but I barely saw DMW on Ivey. The few times it happened, Ivey took and missed tough shots.
Ivey is one of the best athletes in college basketball. He is going to be a lottery pick. He was 3-10 from the field. He killed us by drawing fouls.
Hawkins, who averages 4 fouls per 40 minutes (most by anyone who has played over 150 minutes) was going to be able to stop him w/o fouling? Color me skeptical. Outside of the Rugers game, when he did a pretty good job on Harper (more of a "plodder"), Hawkins has been a fouling machine.
DMW averages 3 fouls per 40.
Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention, but I really don’t remember Purdue fast breaks being an issue. But I could be wrong. In fact, I’d say if the Illini do have issues with fast breaks against them it likely has more to do with the fact that Illini wants its guards to hit the boards on offense.
As to DMW having parts of his game that other teams try to expose, of course he does as does every player. By no means do I think DMW is perfect, and in an ideal world with an ideal team he would probably only average 20 or so mpg. But that’s not what we have. With Monte we have a Swiss Army knife that BU can plug into multiple situations and he makes the team better. If one doesn’t think DMW was a huge part of the Illini winning 11 of 12 and being undefeated in conference while Curbelo was out, well we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’d have no issue with DMW losing some minutes with Curbelo back and once Hawkins gets over the flu. But if he doesn’t, then I’m going to trust the decision-making of the P5 coach who has led the Illini to a 22-5 conference record since last year over the opinion of my fellow posters here. (And the previous sentence wasn’t aimed at you directly CubsIlliniFan.)
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ChazzReinhold
Mom! The Meatloaf!
Mike Latulip, who does a great job with Werner on Illini Inquirer videos by the way, earlier in the year showed how due to Coleman's arm length he was able to play further off his man. This allowed him a better angle to cut off the driver even though he doesn't have the best lateral quickness.
This.
Hawkins is one of our best defensive options against athletic wings and acting like he's not is silly. That has nothing to do with DMFW and his prowess. Literally nothing. Losing him to the flu hurt and we're a better and deeper defensive team with him available. Full stop.
Man the video I posted shows EVERY SINGLE TIME Ivey had the ball and clearly showed who was on him
Ivey is not a knock down shooter so the only way he could beat us was on the glass and in transition which is exactly what he did .
Hawkins and his length gives him a much tougher challenge on both glasses and he wouldn't have to play him for the jump shot but the drive .Instead Ivey got the defensive vacation of a lifetime as he didnt have to guard anyone who even remotely good with the ball offensively the majority of the night
I have Ivey as 1-5 shooting with one foul drawn when DMW was the primary defender in that video and I'm not including the blocked shot in transition. I don't necessarily disagree that Hawkins could be a good option against him, but I think it's clear that DMW did a nice job on him defensively.
blackdog
- Champaign
Ivey is shooting 43% from 3 on almost 5 attempts per game this year so idk where the idea he is not a knockdown shooter comes from. BU even said in his post-game presser they were trying to keep him off the 3 point line.
Also he scored 19 points when he averages 16 a night. That hardly seems like any reason for hand wringing.
So BU makes halftime adjustments?
Sasha’s 3 pt shooting and Ivey’s drives where he was fouled were the issues. Don’t think you can stop either one but having Hawkins available as another option would have helped if was only to rest the others. Would be great if RJ were a defensive option in another year but isn’t now and need to admit these players are damn good just like Alph can shoot and Belo can shred a defense.
We have a pretty darn good coach. If that isn't clear to people by now....
Hawkins length does cause problems when he is on defense. Did an excellent job on Harper and was keeping Murray in check until he got in foul trouble. He will be an important part of our success as the season goes on.
True but there is a less than zero chance BU would have turned to Hawkins instead of BBV down low. I think in hindsight we can say Hawkins in addition to BBV would have been best defensively but I don't know that during the game many would have went with that combo over Damonte and CoHawk. Offensively even in hindsight I would take Damonte and CoHawk. For as much as BBV did to keep the team in the game he really didn't do much of anything on the offensive side. He literally passed up being wide open standing under the hoop at one point.
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