Fair enough. 2001 was a top seed that fell short. I'll stand by my "I remember FF years more clearly", as I would not get anywhere near that level of accuracy on Big10 conference championship years.But do you, though???
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It depends on the intent being displayed by the speaker/user. If it's just to blow up words and make something not impressive sound impressive then this should rightfully be ignored. But when hyperbole is done in the spirit of good motivation and intent it can be inspirational.
As for how Coach uses it... I think he's using it directly at his players with good intent while knowing the fan base will just shake their heads and say, 'Well, there he goes again!'.
And how he's being received by the players will differ from person to person. But it will work for some. I have a feeling that Ayo and Trent liked it. It showed a kind of swagger that appeals to them.
foby
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Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
I'm putting all my beach houses, mountain cottages, main homes, RVs, cars, trucks, mopeds, and skateboards on the over.
I really thought Epps was gonna take off after he made those clutch free throws to get the game to overtime.
Just seemed like the beginning of his illini career and one of those defining moments. Bummer
I'll see your imaginary real estate and raise you all of the unfunded government pension liabilities.
Over. This team will be much better than last years as long as they don't have serious chemistry problems again, which should not be an issue
Over. I'm predicting an undefeated season, however many wins that is.
Didn't you have some shares in a cottage cheese factory to throw in with your asset list?
I figured you guys would say that…
20+ wins is a pretty good year. It’ll be our 5th straight. Still feels pretty good being us right now.
20+ wins is a pretty good year. It’ll be our 5th straight. Still feels pretty good being us right now.
20 wins is mediocrity for a P6 team these days. Most teams play 30 games per season. If one excludes the KP 150+ teams (~7/year), that leaves the record against KP teams 1-150 as ~13/23 or 56%. Just above average. With the extra games, I think 24 wins is roughly the equivalent of the old 20 win season (26 total games, and ~4 KP150+ by my often faulty memory). I'd put 22 wins as the lower end of a good season given how they schedule.
Random spot check: 1980 IL were 20-7 in the regular season w/4 non P6 teams on the schedule; 5 if you count TCU. That was a decent season with Harper and Johnson.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
I've got to hold something back in case of a sub-21 win season. Cottage cheese is the future.
20 wins as a Big Ten team gets you in the tournament almost every year. That's the universal standard for a "successful season". Obviously, we have higher goals to achieve, but big picture wise...5 straight tournament squads is pretty great for any program.
That's the floor for a successful season. 20 wins is a diluted measure of success compared to the past.
Bigtex
- DFW
So who was the chemistry issue?
Mayer, Epps, RJ
2 of them
All 3 of them.
Not including Lieb or Warden, Clark (things didn’t improve after he left) or Perrin.
So, just to review where we sit as of now.
Bigs: Hawkins, Dainja, Guerrier, Hansberry, (Rodgers), (Goode)
Wings: Shannon, Damask, Goode, Rodgers, Harris, (Harmon)
Point: Williams, Harmon, Gibbs-Lawhorn, Moretti, (Harris), (Rodgers), (Damask)
If everyone is healthy, eligible, and improved; that is a deep, talented, and balanced roster.
Bigs: Hawkins, Dainja, Guerrier, Hansberry, (Rodgers), (Goode)
Wings: Shannon, Damask, Goode, Rodgers, Harris, (Harmon)
Point: Williams, Harmon, Gibbs-Lawhorn, Moretti, (Harris), (Rodgers), (Damask)
If everyone is healthy, eligible, and improved; that is a deep, talented, and balanced roster.
Agree, saying a person is “elite” when it is, in fact, quite questionable, downplays the trustworthiness of the person making the claim.
Does that person think the obvious hyperbole outweighs the effect on his trustworthiness…duh
I won’t go into the broader implications…
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InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
Agree, saying a person is “elite” when it is, in fact, quite questionable, downplays the trustworthiness of the person making the claim.
Does that person think the obvious hyperbole outweighs the effect on his trustworthiness…duh
I won’t go into the broader implications…
Elite comment… 
For a non-P6 team, that is absolutely a successful season. You can finish in the lower half of the B10 and still make the tournament. That isn't a successful season IMO. For a P6 team, I'd say a 7 seed or better is a successful season. I suspect that getting a 7 seed on 20 wins is rough.
Testing my hypothesis -- all Seeds 1-7 w/20 or fewer wins:
2022: AL(6), tOSU(7) each w/19 wins
2021: Shortened Season (Many teams with 20-25 games total)
2020: Cancelled
2019: ASU(5), UCLA(6), each w/20 wins
2018: FLA(6), TXA&M(7), each w/20 wins
2017: None
2016: TX(6), WI(7), OR(7), w/20,20,19 wins respectively
So it is tough, not impossible. With the NCAA mostly disregarding Q3/Q4 games now, I suspect it will be more common. Teams can play harder schedules and get invited over the teams padding the win column.
To measure a successful season, I think it's better to look at it from the opposite direction -- total losses including postseason.
10 or fewer losses = successful
That'd be 22-8 reg. season, above the threshold for many, but losses at some point in both tourneys.
21-9 with a tourney title is also pretty darn good
And 20-10 with 2 titles? Yes please! Of course it'd be 29 or 30 wins by the time the nets are cut down... Even 25-12 would be great as long as the last game's a W
Joel Goodson
- how was I to know, she was with the Russians too?
new guy weighs in:
like him already, lol
like him already, lol
Using your homemade metric there is only one consistently successful coach in college basketball: Bill Self
Mark Few also meets your criteria but his win totals are padded each year due to the schedule they play.
Musselman? Only a 50% success rate with Arkansas
Huggins? Hasn't had a successful season in over 5 years
Izzo? Zero success for him the last 3 seasons
Dan Hurley? Zero success while at UConn prior to 2022. They should have fired him before last season
That said, who are your favorite coaches to replace Underwood? Would like to see how they compare using your metric
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