Illini Basketball 2023-2024

Status
Not open for further replies.
#326      
Here’s a link to the NCAA rule change.


What have I missed here? It reads to me the same as it was. Could someone explain what happened to me like I am 5 years old?
I seem to remember reading that the rule was that the defensive player had to be set before the offensive player jumped. Now the rule is they have to be set before the offensive player plants the foot they are jumping off of.

So, it’s a half a step earlier.
 
#327      

Epsilon

M tipping over
Pdx
Once upon a time there was a magical orb. If you had possession of this orb, your opponents could not touch you. You however could touch them. If one of the downtrodden wanted to stop you from claiming your hard earned rewards, all they could do was stand in front of you hoping you ran into them. It wasn't likely, but they still tried. For if you did run into them while they were standing straight and perfectly still, the orb magically became theirs. [You may be down on your luck and really need an orb some day, so this is why you must learn to sit up straight, without fidgeting during dinner.]

Now where were we. Oh yes. The obstacles. At first these stationary obstacles were but a minor nuisance and easily avoided. After all, how hard is it to avoid a stationary object? Then the economy went bad and people got desperate. They tried all sorts of things and eventually came upon one that caused great confusion. The desperate people started moving in front of the glorious orb carriers after they had leapt into the air to make their final delivery. Being in the air, the orb carriers had no way to avoid them. What a vile, dangerous, trick. Should the possession of the orb change when someone pulled such a stunt? Thankfully, the orb, being so precious, is always being watched by a set of Xebras. They somehow always knew exactly who should own the orb.

The great Scholars of Embarrassment (near Dustu on the Wahtn Sea) studied these Xebras and their decisions for decades trying to decide how the Xebras always knew. It led to the deep philosophical discussions such as: What constituted standing still? How long did they have to stand still before the impact to be deemed standing still? Was one ever standing perfectly straight? How much slouching or leaning was allowed? How could the observing Xebra, often on the move themselves, determine if another object was at rest? The last was termed the Xebras paradox. After many years, the scholars never found an answer. For any theory there were always many, many, counter examples.

In the book of Slo-mo Revelation, it came out that not only did the Xebras didn't always know, their errors were muddying the timeline. This caused great embarrassment. At first the almighty No Correcting Aristocratic Affiliates, progenitors of the Xebras, waited to see if their children could resolve the matter on their own. Eventually the timeline was so muddied that they stepped in. They proclaimed that the orb shall not change possession if the orb carrier had planted their foot in preparation for the final leap toward their rewards. Thus it became much clearer on how long the downtrodden needed to be standing, and that extra time made it easier to determine if they were standing straight. The timeline was saved; and the Scholars of Embarrassment were out of jobs; or so they thought. While on the surface it appears to create Xebras paradise, a new gremlin was birthed. What constitutes the planing of the foot?
Well Done Reaction GIF


Animated GIF

Is it wrong that I want to hear more of this story?
 
Last edited:
#328      

Epsilon

M tipping over
Pdx
I seem to remember reading that the rule was that the defensive player had to be set before the offensive player jumped. Now the rule is they have to be set before the offensive player plants the foot they are jumping off of.

So, it’s a half a step earlier.
Yeah this is where I am struggling. These are the same. You have to have a foot planted before you jump…
 
#329      
Yeah this is where I am struggling. These are the same. You have to have a foot planted before you jump…
I'd say the foot is planted when the it is on the ground and the player is starting the upward motion to jump. Before the plant foot had to have left the ground. But this answer is no where near as much fun to write.
 
#330      
I seem to remember reading that the rule was that the defensive player had to be set before the offensive player jumped. Now the rule is they have to be set before the offensive player plants the foot they are jumping off of.

So, it’s a half a step earlier.
Timing is big here.

Old rules: they plant and you set at the same time = charge. New rules that’s block.

New rules: you set, they plant, in that order only, charge.

To be fair, I think most coaches have taught it like the new rules anyway. I know I sure have. I know I’ve screamed at refs for rewarding undercuts. This makes it safer, and less likely to get a charge.

I know some people said this will improve scoring, but if a defender jumps and maintains verticality, that is really hard to score on. Maybe more backside offensive rebound putbacks? But the initial shot could be difficult.
 
#332      

splitter

and not Nebraska
Once upon a time there was a magical orb. If you had possession of this orb, your opponents could not touch you. You however could touch them. If one of the downtrodden wanted to stop you from claiming your hard earned rewards, all they could do was stand in front of you hoping you ran into them. It wasn't likely, but they still tried. For if you did run into them while they were standing straight and perfectly still, the orb magically became theirs. [You may be down on your luck and really need an orb some day, so this is why you must learn to sit up straight, without fidgeting during dinner.]

Now where were we. Oh yes. The obstacles. At first these stationary obstacles were but a minor nuisance and easily avoided. After all, how hard is it to avoid a stationary object? Then the economy went bad and people got desperate. They tried all sorts of things and eventually came upon one that caused great confusion. The desperate people started moving in front of the glorious orb carriers after they had leapt into the air to make their final delivery. Being in the air, the orb carriers had no way to avoid them. What a vile, dangerous, trick. Should the possession of the orb change when someone pulled such a stunt? Thankfully, the orb, being so precious, is always being watched by a set of Xebras. They somehow always knew exactly who should own the orb.

The great Scholars of Embarrassment (near Dustu on the Wahtn Sea) studied these Xebras and their decisions for decades trying to decide how the Xebras always knew. It led to the deep philosophical discussions such as: What constituted standing still? How long did they have to stand still before the impact to be deemed standing still? Was one ever standing perfectly straight? How much slouching or leaning was allowed? How could the observing Xebra, often on the move themselves, determine if another object was at rest? The last was termed the Xebras paradox. After many years, the scholars never found an answer. For any theory there were always many, many, counter examples.

In the book of Slo-mo Revelation, it came out that not only did the Xebras didn't always know, their errors were muddying the timeline. This caused great embarrassment. At first the almighty No Correcting Aristocratic Affiliates, progenitors of the Xebras, waited to see if their children could resolve the matter on their own. Eventually the timeline was so muddied that they stepped in. They proclaimed that the orb shall not change possession if the orb carrier had planted their foot in preparation for the final leap toward their rewards. Thus it became much clearer on how long the downtrodden needed to be standing, and that extra time made it easier to determine if they were standing straight. The timeline was saved; and the Scholars of Embarrassment were out of jobs; or so they thought. While on the surface it appears to create Xebras paradise, a new gremlin was birthed. What constitutes the planing of the foot?
Happy Seth Meyers GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
Genius. Tell us another story. The one about how the Illini get only good calls from the Xebras.
 
#333      
Meh, after 3 years at UM, he's probably pysched to be on a team playing for a NC. And while I think it's bad juju to trash talk like that, it's kind of refreshing to see players honestly express themselves. Think we've had our share of players like that.
He still is a complete douchebag! Just one of those guys who make great villains. Would love to see KU completely underachieve if for no other reason than DICKinson having another failed year.
 
#334      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
He still is a complete douchebag! Just one of those guys who make great villains. Would love to see KU completely underachieve if for no other reason than DICKinson having another failed year.
Self put together this exhibition just to give 'lil Hunty one last shot to beat Illinois.
 
#337      
So I played around some more with Kenpom's projections to determine his B10 regular season champion odds. I should note there is some inherent error here in that the teams in my model are "in a vaccuum" such that I wouldn't have to create and run an engine to track the 2^140 B10 game outcome possibilities and tabulate that way. By my calculations, this will result in about an 8% total error at worst, so for example if it's listed that a team has a projected 15.0% chance of winning the B10, anywhere between 13.8% and 16.2% is encompassed by reasonable error. Anyways, to the fun:

Odds to win or share the B10 title this season, as calculated using kenpom:
Purdue- 65.9%
MSU- 21.6%
Wisconsin- 11.1%
Illinois- 10.2%
Maryland- 9.0%
OSU- 5.4%
Northwestern- 1.9%
Michigan- 1.0%
Indiana- 1.0%

As an aside, because someone may ask, those above numbers do not sum to 100, as shared titles account for multiple teams winning.

Odds to win the B10 title outright this season, as calculated using kenpom:
Purdue- 49.0%
MSU- 11.4%
Wisconsin- 5.1%
Illinois- 4.5%
Maryland- 3.9%
OSU- 2.1%

Now yes, this doesn't mean much, but it's fun to play around with.

Awesome stuff, numbers are fun!

Here is Torvik's probabilities.... https://barttorvik.com/conodds.php?conf=B10

The craziest thing to me is 12 teams with at least a 10% chance to get the top 4. Purdue is the clear favorite, but the conference is wide open after that.
 
#339      
Awesome stuff, numbers are fun!

Here is Torvik's probabilities.... https://barttorvik.com/conodds.php?conf=B10

The craziest thing to me is 12 teams with at least a 10% chance to get the top 4. Purdue is the clear favorite, but the conference is wide open after that.
What am I missing in his projections? We are T ranked highest of any of the group after Purdue and Mich St, have the most returning minutes except Wisconsin, and are still the least likely to finish top 4? He has our predicted record 10-9. Are we going to miss a conference game we don't know about yet? I know it's only a projection, but something doesn't make sense there.
 
Last edited:
#342      
What am I missing in his projections? We are T ranked highest of any of the group after Purdue and Mich St, have the most returning minutes except Wisconsin, and are still the least likely to finish top 4? He has our predicted record 10-9. Are we going to miss a conference game we don't know about yet? I know it's only a projection, but something doesn't make sense there.
I was thinking the same thing. That model seems to not like us that much. 10-10 in conference would objectively be a letdown under BU as well as we’ve done in conference.
 
#343      

lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
What am I missing in his projections? We are T ranked highest of any of the group after Purdue and Mich St, have the most returning minutes except Wisconsin, and are still the least likely to finish top 4? He has our predicted record 10-9. Are we going to miss a conference game we don't know about yet? I know it's only a projection, but something doesn't make sense there.
Unbalanced schedules could play a role.
 
#344      
What am I missing in his projections? We are T ranked highest of any of the group after Purdue and Mich St, have the most returning minutes except Wisconsin, and are still the least likely to finish top 4? He has our predicted record 10-9. Are we going to miss a conference game we don't know about yet? I know it's only a projection, but something doesn't make sense there.

Good catch, the site is missing our home game against NW. That would put us at 11-9 most likely. I will email him to him to let him know to fix it.
 
#345      
Torvik's site has been update. He now has us and 5 other teams (Wisconsin, Maryland, Indiana, Ohio St, and Northwestern) at 11-9.

Anyone who gets to play Minnesota or Penn St twice gets a huge advantage. Those games are pretty much guaranteed wins. Unfortunately, we only play Minnesota and Penn St once.
 
#346      
Torvik's site has been update. He now has us and 5 other teams (Wisconsin, Maryland, Indiana, Ohio St, and Northwestern) at 11-9.

Anyone who gets to play Minnesota or Penn St twice gets a huge advantage. Those games are pretty much guaranteed wins. Unfortunately, we only play Minnesota and Penn St once.
I've had enough of the guaranteed wins against Penn State. Happy to play them once.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.