Illini Basketball 2023-2024

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because he doesn't know what he's doing. Chauncey Gardener of coaches
I like to watch Being There because it is an absolute gem of a movie! I'm always amazed at how many folks have never heard of it, let alone seen it.

And yes, Coach Underwood not winning COY at least once these past 4 years is a travesty.
 
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And yet Underwood hasn’t been coach of the year in that time…
Seems as if one looks at the overall picture, the statistics and whatnot over the past few years, BU should be COY but unfortunately the award is for one year only and another coach/team seems to do just a little bit better. I still decry the year Gard won over BU, one reason seemingly was that Wisc did better than what the sports writers and others who rate teams thought they would. I think he is a good coach but it was just a perception thing. "Wisconsin did better than we thought, so they must have a great coach", not that they, the sports writers, etc., were just plain wrong about how good Wisconsin was. And when Howard won it, well, we can see who is the better coach over the past years. BU had less to work with than Howard. BU turned this basketball program around. Howard was given a team that was not the dumpster fire Illinois was prior to BU. Far from it. If there is a Coach of the Decade, maybe BU would win that.
 
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It's honestly really frustrating that if one of three things happen - the Tournament isn't cancelled in 2020 and we go on a run, we get past Loyola in 2021 or we are at full health and beat Houston in 2022 - I feel the program would get infinitely more respect nationally. I'm not saying we don't get any respect, but it sucks that our Tournament results have been more like a top 30-40 team, and our regular season results have been closer to a top 10-15 team. Really need to see that Second Weekend this year not only to get the monkey off of our back but also just to reestablish Illinois as a name your casual fan who tunes into March Madness associates with the "players" of the college basketball world.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
the Tournament isn't cancelled in 2020 and we go on a run, we get past Loyola in 2021 or we are at full health and beat Houston in 2022
One of those things is not like the others.

Though I agree with your point - partially. One Sweet 16 wouldn't magically change the perception of the program in the national commentariat, but I do think it would change a lot in our own fanbase's perception of what's going on.
 
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One of those things is not like the others.

Though I agree with your point - partially. One Sweet 16 wouldn't magically change the perception of the program in the national commentariat, but I do think it would change a lot in our own fanbase's perception of what's going on.
I assume you mean Houston was good and possibly under-seeded enough that not getting past them was not some sort of "slip-up" on our part? If so, I agree, but everybody gets a lucky "hot streak" game every once in a while (like Shannon going off vs. UCLA last year), and it would have been nice for that to be ours! If you mean that COVID was equally unlucky for everyone, I agree in theory but it especially hurt teams who were bursting (back) on to the scene that year, IMO ... it would have and should have been Rutgers' program-defining return to the NCAA Tournament, for example. And I think the 2020 team that beat Iowa to end the season was playing like a team that could win two in the Tourney.

Regardless, I do believe that it would do more than just reassure our fan base's psyche. I was in Vegas for the Sweet Sixteen weekend this year, and it was astonishing how many "casuals" get REALLY into the NCAA Tournament (yes, I know the betting in Vegas probably makes it a bit different, but I am talking about people at regular bars), and I think when they keep saying certain programs represented there, it does a lot to reinforce the perception that "that program is good." We have done so much of the legwork to earn the perception of a top 15 program again, but when the lights are brightest and the most people are watching, we have not been there. And I think that really hurts us. Whether or not one Sweet Sixteen fixes that is debatable, but having none no doubt hurts a lot.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I assume you mean Houston was good and possibly under-seeded enough that not getting past them was not some sort of "slip-up" on our part?
I more mean that team had just kind of fallen apart at that point and wasn't going anywhere against anybody. It was a total miracle we escaped that Chattanooga game.

Which is the same team that won a Big Ten Championship (also in weird miraculous escape fashion).

I guess what I'm saying is, we really broke through with a historically great and memorable team with the Ayo-Kofi duo, who left a giant cultural imprint together, but through horrendous luck just the single NCAA tournament win, so that period looks wildly different depending on your perspective.

"Most Big Ten Wins In Last Five Years" means everything to me, both as an objective question of future predictive power (you're wrong if you disagree), and a subjective question of what makes me happy as a fan (everyone is free to disagree and it seems like many do).
 
#86      
One of those things is not like the others.

Though I agree with your point - partially. One Sweet 16 wouldn't magically change the perception of the program in the national commentariat, but I do think it would change a lot in our own fanbase's perception of what's going on.
If we did get one Sweet 16, then FIND {Sweet 16}; REPLACE ALL {Elite 8}.

Apply the above to the last 50 posts on our desired tournament results, and I will show you the next 50 posts on desired tournament results. Nothing would change on this board.
 
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... it sucks that our Tournament results have been more like a top 30-40 team, and our regular season results have been closer to a top 10-15 team. Really need to see that Second Weekend this year not only to get the monkey off of our back but also just to reestablish Illinois as a name your casual fan who tunes into March Madness associates with the "players" of the college basketball world.

Tournament ball is just its own kind of unique animal. There is something of its own to the pressures of One-and-Done as well as playing on a neutral or even hostile court with all the expectations of your fan base as well as the pressure you put on yourselves as a team. And a very motivated opponent that also knows what’s at stake.

And some coaches seem to thrive better than others on tourney ball. I always think of Ray Meyer of those great De Paul teams around the Mark Aguirre years (during the regular season) that always seemed to wash out before their time. Meyer in those years just didn’t seem up to coaching in the Dance environment (except for one decent year). And his players seemed to panic and did not handle pressure or expectations well.

We know Our Beloved has a great coach. But we also know that he more than anyone else wants to taste that tournament success that has eluded him in the Prairie State.

Weird things have happened to the Illini when the grass begins to grow green. We hope this time they can just play ball up to their ability and taste some real success.
 
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On SeatGeek, there are seats being offered at $1,600 for the Purdue game, with seats in the 200 level going for at least $100.
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With the Illini at the #6 offense at KenPom going into mid-February, it's time to acknowledge that Underwood had the correct off-season analysis that we could thrive without a true pg.

I am duly impressed, and hope and expect our defense to eventually gel into the top-20 Kenpom unit it should be to make a Final-4 run.
 
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With the Illini at the #6 offense at KenPom going into mid-February, it's time to acknowledge that Underwood had the correct off-season analysis that we could thrive without a true pg.

I am duly impressed, and hope and expect our defense to eventually gel into the top-20 Kenpom unit it should be to make a Final-4 run.
I refuse to acknowledge that NarrowJ was in anyway correct. ;)

Even though Ty has lost some of the share of the PG duties, he is invaluable on this team. Coach found a way to make it not only work but thrive, and Ty is so great at just being whatever guy we need him to be on a given night. Just an all around great job by the staff and Ty.
 
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I refuse to acknowledge that NarrowJ was in anyway correct. ;)

I actually think this season has played out not at all like I expected! I do see Brad as more on the rigid end of the spectrum as in he'll keep doing the same thing longer than he should sometimes. I am a victim of this myself, so I understand it... a fault of wanting to prove what I think will work, will actually work.

What I thought we would see is Ty Rodgers at PG for the entire season, unless the situation simply reached some extreme low point. But Marcus has really become our lead guard. We come out with Ty to give us energy at the start, but then Marcus really takes over more and more ballhandling duties as the game wears on. Ty goes back to that role where he is a cutter on the baseline and is available for a pass or an offensive board/putback. I actually like any possession where Ty Rodgers gets in the middle, and it's actually easier to get him there through the offense rather than with him starting with the ball.

EDIT: I also had no idea Marcus could be a lead ballhandler prior to the season. Buddy of mine follows SIU and said he looks way more athletic than he ever remembered him being.
 
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It's honestly really frustrating that if one of three things happen - the Tournament isn't cancelled in 2020 and we go on a run, we get past Loyola in 2021 or we are at full health and beat Houston in 2022 - I feel the program would get infinitely more respect nationally. I'm not saying we don't get any respect, but it sucks that our Tournament results have been more like a top 30-40 team, and our regular season results have been closer to a top 10-15 team. Really need to see that Second Weekend this year not only to get the monkey off of our back but also just to reestablish Illinois as a name your casual fan who tunes into March Madness associates with the "players" of the college basketball world.
I look at the polls each week and all the love we got prior to the TSJ case in those power rankings - I think we’ve gotten a lot of respect nationally this year.

Even now - we’re ranked 10th and consensus per bracket matrix is we’re probably either the last 3 seed or a 4 seed as we sit today.
 
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