Illini Basketball 2026-2027

Status
Not open for further replies.
#780      
I have been so surprised listening to various outlets/analysts who are normally very well informed refer to Vaaks as if he is an off-ball guy
Not sure I'd call Raphael Davis "normally very well informed."

1784227079122.png
 
#783      
“We’re not as deep a roster as this team or that unproven team.”
“We’re missing a big player at the nth spot.”

Truly “Champaign” problems. Our steak is too juicy, and our lobster is too buttery. What are we going to do with all of these raw talent freshman that are higher rated than we are used to getting, and have a pathway to staying here, instead of being one and dones, and becoming collegiate stars in a couple years with heart and grit for the Orange and Blue…
Our girlfriends are too good looking
1784228693834.png
 
#784      
You mean depths like this? Yeah… I never wanna go back there either.

omg I didn't realize how much he sounds like the drunk guys trying to elaborate how cool Bill brasky was.... and he is even doing that poorly!

Will Ferrell Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live


I for one with raise a glass to Josh Whitman and Bill brasky!!!!

Josh Whitman's tears cure cancer.... too bad he never cries!
 
Last edited:
#785      
Depth isn’t about removing three players. It’s about how many guys can realistically play in Big Ten games.

For MSU and USC, the answer is 9 or 10 with very talented players. For USC their 9th man is a top 30 freshman; for us it’s a sub 100 freshman. Pretty big difference.

The discussion isn’t best team. It’s deepest team. In that regard, MSU and USC are a step in front.
The only depth that matters in my opinion is the replacement of a player that is injured and out for a sustained period. For Tomi-Z, for Dre-Jake, for QC- Jake, for Vaaks-Morillo, for Mirk-Z. All of these would hurt and strategies would be affected but none to the extent of MSU losing Fears. Having a 10 be equivalent to the 6 doesn’t have much value unless you lose a player for a sustained period of time because the 10 isn’t going to play anyway. Having that depth may help you in practice but also may cause you team morale problems.
 
#786      
It doesn’t make or break a roster, but it does mean we aren’t as deep as that team and other top teams in the big ten (especially when the difference is that severe - one’s a boarderline 5 star guy and the other’s barely ranked top 150).

It also means one team is significantly more equipped to handle injuries, while the other isn’t.
This, in theory, would be the takeaway. HOWEVER, if ANY team loses a bonafide starter and critical piece of the equation for a significant amount of time.....there is absolutely nothing that the 9th man on the roster is going to do to mask that.

If MSU loses Fears, their ceiling crashes down on them. They have absolutely nothing to replicate him.

For us, we know the cast of characters that make the engine run. If we lost Mirk, Drej, Tomi, etc.....there is absolutely nothing we can do to replace that type of production and experience.

Last year, if MI lost Yaxel, Morez or Mara.....with all due respect to Tschetter.....they would have been screwed.
 
Last edited:
#787      
I think a lot of Petro not living up to the hype had to do with Keaton dominating the available minutes at the only position in which Petrovic could feasibly play. EDIT: Also, Boswell.

Brandon Lee actually got in the game with 12 mins left in the first half of that Wisconsin game everyone keeps referencing (aside: funny we care about one singular game as if Brad is the first coach ever to play 6 guys when two players are out).

When Koa Peat went down for Arizona, 6 players played 93% of the minutes

When Nate Mast went down for Nebraska, 6 players played 95% of the minutes

When Ngongba went down for Duke, 6 players played 94% of the minutes

We had TWO players out, one of them was a last second DNP in warmups (as someone else mentioned).
I think you mean Rienk Mast.

Nate was one of our up 40 with 3 minutes to go guys.
 
#789      
omg I didn't realize how much he sounds like the drunk guys trying to elaborate how cool Bill brasky was.... and he is even doing that poorly!

Will Ferrell Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live


I for one with raise a glass to Josh Whitman and Bill brasky!!!!

Josh Whitman's tears cure cancer.... too bad he never cries!
I’m really glad we have coaches now who don’t have to rely on cheesy mnemonic devices or inspirational wall hangings to fire up the team. I shudder at both O.S.K.E.E and Together-n-Toughness (TNT) bracelets. While anecdotal, I’ve found that leaders who rely on those techniques are usually covering up their own leadership insecurities - much like a Stuart Smally “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough” routine.
 
#791      
I'm really thinking that Lincoln Williams,, will be a very good player next year.
May not get alot of minutes, but the time he will be on the court, should be very explosive!!!
 
  • Like
Reactions: JKR
#796      
Hard to argue with that logic.

Purdue is bringing back the 3rd and 4th string guards from a big ten team that finished 6th

😆
The logic is correct, but at the same time Purdue's guard situation destroys the rationale for his top 5.

I don't think that we can completely disregard his comments about our guards. The backcourt is a relative unknown. Our starting guards from last year are holding NBA contracts. If we're going to spring a leak, it's in the backcourt. His point is valid there, but the Purdue take is just awful.
 
#797      
3rd place games are the most useless games in sports.

But they’d draw ratings and money, so it’ll probably happen.
It would end up being like some of the Bowl games in football, where a bunch of the best guys decide not to play. No one is risking generational wealth to hoist a 3rd place trophy. (If they even had one...) No one would remember the game 48 hours later, anyway...
 
#798      
The logic is correct, but at the same time Purdue's guard situation destroys the rationale for his top 5.

I don't think that we can completely disregard his comments about our guards. The backcourt is a relative unknown. Our starting guards from last year are holding NBA contracts. If we're going to spring a leak, it's in the backcourt. His point is valid there, but the Purdue take is just awful.

I agree. If you wanna say you’d take Michigan and MSU’s guards as a more sure thing than ours, ok. Just don’t do that with Purdue ha.

That said, is boiling your whole analysis just down to backcourt all that smart? My guess is when Edey was at Purdue, he didn’t rank Purdue #1 solely cuz guard play.

Just like im quite sure he factored Cluff and TKR into his Purdue preseason first place projection last year
 
#799      
I don't think that we can completely disregard his comments about our guards. The backcourt is a relative unknown. Our starting guards from last year are holding NBA contracts. If we're going to spring a leak, it's in the backcourt. His point is valid there, but the Purdue take is just awful.
We did about as well as we could've. Vaaks is the best or second best shooter in the portal, with primary initiator ball skills. Could very well be a first rounder.

Coleman is a top 15 recruit, and a five star. He could very well get drafted. Tremendous shooter as well, an insane rebounder for his position, and very good motor. Can definitely be an asset defender.

You can't really critique the personnel and who we brought in, other than just saying "we lost the two guys from last year." (who are both great players, no doubt)
 
#800      
So then you don’t trust their talent evaluation. Heck, you’re saying not even Brad believes in it.

I think if you go through and explore game by game you’ll see we did use those 9th and 10th men (Lee, Petrovic) on spots where they were usable. A one point overtime game is not one of those spots. This is pretty common, by the way.
We actually didn't use them when they were usable though. There were plenty of 20 pt games with 5 minutes left when we stuck with our starters.
I trust Brad's talent evaluation plenty when it comes to starters, but I question how he uses those 9-15 scholarships. He always said they were gold. But now it seems like its more for developmental players instead of vets that can contribute now. Which reduces our depth. We can't expect a Keaton Wagler to emerge every year.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back