/s? IL was ranked 17th preseason last year and will be <5th this year.Hot take. I think this team has higher expectations than last year’s team.
Lot of luck is required to make a Final Four. Would we have beaten Florida? Would Duke have won it all if not for a Hail Mary from Braylon?
I think last year’s expectation based on draw, seed, and location (HTX) was Sweet 16. This year it’s Final Four. Not National Championship.
Looking at Florida, Duke, UConn, Michigan, State, etc. I don’t think any team can EXPECT to win the Natty. I think best you can expect is a Final Four.
Counterpoint - yes you can expect to win the natty and the Illini are going to do just that.Hot take. I think this team has higher expectations than last year’s team.
Lot of luck is required to make a Final Four. Would we have beaten Florida? Would Duke have won it all if not for a Hail Mary from Braylon?
I think last year’s expectation based on draw, seed, and location (HTX) was Sweet 16. This year it’s Final Four. Not National Championship.
Looking at Florida, Duke, UConn, Michigan, State, etc. I don’t think any team can EXPECT to win the Natty. I think best you can expect is a Final Four.
/s? IL was ranked 17th preseason last year and will be <5th this year.
I trust Duke to underperform yearly, Scheyer is Calapari east. There was definitely tourney luck both in seeding, upsets and our team clicking/getting healthy at the end.
Honestly seems fitting given how many times IL has had bad tourney luck under Underwood... like facing a buzzsaw in UConn in the e8 & a criminally underseeded Loyola in r32 with 2 of our next best teams the last 5.
Yeah, sort of. Kenpom had them 4th and they were a 2 seed, so that could be off just a bit. Iowa was 22nd so should have been a 6 seed but was a 9th seed.Wasn’t Houston really under seeded also or am I misremembering that?
Yes, #2 on KenPom and a 5 seed.Wasn’t Houston really under seeded also or am I misremembering that?
I mean you're allowed to build up any expectations you want to. But consider this quote from Epictetus:Counterpoint - yes you can expect to win the natty and the Illini are going to do just that.
I feel you. I think you're being reasonable. I also think message boards are places to be unreasonable sometimes. Things are genuinely great for Illini athletics across the board right now. These are the good old days. Now is the time to dream big, be bold, and believe without a shadow of a doubt.I mean you're allowed to build up any expectations you want to. But consider this quote from Epictetus:
"Do not seek for things to happen the way you want them to; rather, wish that what happens happens the way it happens: then you will be happy."
I hope we can finally win a natty this year. I think we're in the mix, and I am thrilled to be the fan of a program that has done so many things right to be in this position. However, if my expectation become winning a national championship, or even making the Final Four or any other specfic result, I know I'm setting myself up for a possibility of being disappointed, even if the season is objectively good!
Of course it's probably not realistic, as a sports fan, to "wish that what happens happens the way it happens," that kind of goes against the whole practice of rooting for a specific team! But the principle that setting specific expectations sets you up for failure is pretty obvious. I try to think of things on a wider time horizon, and rather than specific results about general program health. Can we continue to recruit and produce all-conference players and NBA draft picks? Can we continue to make the Tournament with good seeding on an annual basis? Can we compete for conference titles consistently? If we're doing all those things, we're in the best possible position for the natty, whether it be this year or another year.
Not all offensive rebounding opportunities are equal though.This logic is SO wrong.
Our offensive rebound rate this past season was 39.3%. When that “desperation 3-pointer” goes up, you essentially have a 40% chance of getting that ball back (assuming it doesn’t go in, which is an additional possibility).
With a turnover, you’ve lost the possession, point blank.
I think he's talking about the 2022 Melendez Technical game where Houston was a 5 seed, but really high on the analytic rankingsYeah, sort of. Kenpom had them 4th and they were a 2 seed, so that could be off just a bit. Iowa was 22nd so should have been a 6 seed but was a 9th seed.
Yeah, sort of. Kenpom had them 4th and they were a 2 seed, so that could be off just a bit. Iowa was 22nd so should have been a 6 seed but was a 9th seed.
Yes, #2 on KenPom and a 5 seed.
Getting #10 Loyola as an 8 seed and #2 Houston as a 5 seed back to back is just criminal.
It is a matter of each person probably manages happiness differently.I feel you. I think you're being reasonable. I also think message boards are places to be unreasonable sometimes. Things are genuinely great for Illini athletics across the board right now. These are the good old days. Now is the time to dream big, be bold, and believe without a shadow of a doubt.
This past year was reasonable, but a few years back when we played them weren't they Kenpom #1 as a 5 seed? That's a pretty tough draw.Wasn’t Houston really under seeded also or am I misremembering that?
I think we can all admit that we did get lucky with the draws last year. Everything lined up right for a final four run.Was thinking of 2021-22 team that faced Houston in the 2nd round.
I've been waiting this entire offseason for the "1 second weekend in 9 years" people to successfully migrate to "he just got lucky last year" (but I might have misread the original comment).
I feel you. I think you're being reasonable. I also think message boards are places to be unreasonable sometimes. Things are genuinely great for Illini athletics across the board right now. These are the good old days. Now is the time to dream big, be bold, and believe without a shadow of a doubt.
I do remember when the draw first came out, many people here were upset because we had to play Houston in Houston.I think we can all admit that we did get lucky with the draws last year. Everything lined up right for a final four