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ChiefGritty

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doowink said:
I think most kids whether it was 25-30 years ago or today want to be coached....they want the coach to be tough, fair and respectful....yelling or screaming isn't the issue....basketball is an emotional game and a coach that gets fired up and emotional to make his team play better is doing his job.... being demeaning or disrespectful is the problem....if a coach is yelling or screaming to make a point or light a fire under the team, most kids can take that....but if you're being demeaning or disrespectful towards the players .....not many like that
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I said this earlier but I really do think that there is something inherently demeaning and disrespectful about doing it in front of the crowd and the cameras where everyone can see, and while it might seem hypocritical or inconsistent to say "keep the red-faced tirades behind closed doors", I actually don't think that's true.

BU has a certain showmanship about him. When he's blowing a gasket on the sidelines he's sending a message to his players, but he's also performing his authority and iron will over his players for the audience. And that's a performance of a level of power that a college basketball coach had in 1983 but does not have in 2023, that's simply the reality of the landscape and I think that's where the dissonance comes from.
 
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Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
Roundball Sage said:
Young people participating in sports today remain members of the Young Person Community in society in general. And there has been a marked change in how many young people look at ‘authority’ and authority-figures in general. Some teachers at lower grades could give you plenty of horror stories about discipline (or lack thereof) in the classroom and how their authority as teachers has been eroded and not respected. And classes not being interested in learning or listening to the teacher.

NOT ALL young people are this way. But many young people just are not that receptive any more to taking direction from authority figures. (Yes, there always has been an element of ‘rebellion’ in the generations. But something fundamental has changed in recent times to make it harder for teachers (coaches?) to teach.

Only individual teams and players know how much this dynamic has filtered down to the sports program they are specifically involved with. But this factor of whether many players are as coachable as they used to be is an ongoing reality that must be considered going forward in the coach-player relationship. And with players gaining more power and leverage... the coach has been somewhat weakened further in that relationship.

And this is a possible answer to why some coaches might give a little more rope that they should in certain situations. They are trying not to create a wedge between them and the player and they are still trying to motivate them in a good direction. They think that might work.

And maybe ‘Yelling’ by some coaches just might be evidence of someone’s frustration coming out about all this? Just a thought to consider.
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Biggest difference? Parenting . . . or lack thereof.
 
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ChiefGritty

ChiefGritty
ChiefGritty
Chickenmane said:
Can anyone actually verify if Brad has any other leadership methods other than yelling?
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I think this is meant to be witty but what the whole Bob Huggins coaching tree is with kids is really candid and honest. They are not standoffish or aloof or holier-than-thou as was common for authority figures in generations past, they're very real with the kids, that's a constant refrain you hear about BU. Millennials and now zoomers aren't accustomed to and might not always respond great to the tirades, but they will always recognize and appreciate that genuine connection.

Huggins, Frank Martin and Underwood all also combine that candor with a really acidic sense of humor so the press loves them too. That's another handy weapon for a coach.
 
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pruman91

pruman91
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GTFO of here. No one talks to pru like that and gets away with it.
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nichi

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IlliniKat91 said:
The theory is that they have to like us to listen to us.

It's really that they have to respect us, but how to do that is much trickier than "build a relationship." I imagine how to get good classroom management is also how you get good team buy-in though, too. And it's not by being friends.
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When I went to school, respect for authority was the default setting for most students.

I attended one school that was run like a prison, and another where the admins, teachers, and coaches tried to be our buddy.

The best schools found a middle way.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
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sacraig
Roundball Sage said:
Young people participating in sports today remain members of the Young Person Community in society in general. And there has been a marked change in how many young people look at ‘authority’ and authority-figures in general. Some teachers at lower grades could give you plenty of horror stories about discipline (or lack thereof) in the classroom and how their authority as teachers has been eroded and not respected. And classes not being interested in learning or listening to the teacher.

NOT ALL young people are this way. But many young people just are not that receptive any more to taking direction from authority figures. (Yes, there always has been an element of ‘rebellion’ in the generations. But something fundamental has changed in recent times to make it harder for teachers (coaches?) to teach.

Only individual teams and players know how much this dynamic has filtered down to the sports program they are specifically involved with. But this factor of whether many players are as coachable as they used to be is an ongoing reality that must be considered going forward in the coach-player relationship. And with players gaining more power and leverage... the coach has been somewhat weakened further in that relationship.

And this is a possible answer to why some coaches might give a little more rope that they should in certain situations. They are trying not to create a wedge between them and the player and they are still trying to motivate them in a good direction. They think that might work.

And maybe ‘Yelling’ by some coaches just might be evidence of someone’s frustration coming out about all this? Just a thought to consider.
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I don't think this is just "young people." They learn it from their elders, and society as a whole has rebelled against authority and experts in recent years.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
sacraig
AyoDos11 said:
So if BU is focused on searching for other coaching jobs, how is he supposed to re-recruit/meet with our current guys? Is one of the assistants doing that? Should we even trust BU to do this now if he might leave?
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His agent is doing all the legwork. The only time BU has to actually put effort into this is when talking to his agent and any eventual interviews. Otherwise business as usual.

That's the luxury of being able to afford an agent.
 
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sacraig

sacraig
The desert
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ChiefGritty said:
I think this is meant to be witty but what the whole Bob Huggins coaching tree is with kids is really candid and honest. They are not standoffish or aloof or holier-than-thou as was common for authority figures in generations past, they're very real with the kids, that's a constant refrain you hear about BU. Millennials and now zoomers aren't accustomed to and might not always respond great to the tirades, but they will always recognize and appreciate that genuine connection.

Huggins, Frank Martin and Underwood all also combine that candor with a really acidic sense of humor so the press loves them too. That's another handy weapon for a coach.
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Oh now we are demonizing millennials again? That's still a thing? :rolleyes:

Millennial here. I don't need to be coddled and, generally speaking, neither do my peers. We handle candid feedback as well as anyone.
 
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Rap47

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sacraig said:
I don't think this is just "young people." They learn it from their elders, and society as a whole has rebelled against authority and experts in recent years.
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The young people now are used to having things given to them versus having to earn them. Society in general.
 
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