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#626      
I think that's a good take. And overall I think it's good players can leave a situation that isn't good for them. However, I also wonder how long until NIL contracts start having clauses about time spent at a university and/or performance like you'd see in the actual pros.
For sure there will be pressure to move in that direction, but that's also the point where the whole thing stops being "name, image and likeness" and becomes pay-for-plat/traditional employer-employee relationship. I think that's very likely to happen at some point, but I'm also confident the NCAA will fight it every step of the way.
 
#627      
If that were true, Brad would have benched Mayer for no defense/no effort. He didn’t until the very last 10 minutes of the season.

Blaming these guys for transferring out bc they can’t play defense is bs. What freshmen is good at defense? Very few.

Skyy Clark simply wasn’t good enough. Makes sense he transferred out.

But the other guys:

Adam Miller- was a good player. Never should have left.

Podz- misevaluation by the staff.1.

Andre Curbelo- dynamic talent that the staff couldn’t get the most out of.

Jayden Epps- very promising freshmen season. Left anyway.

When your employees leave the company, it’s the company’s fault.
Looks like the only thing we can agree on is the Skyy wasn't good enough, and that Epps, for a freshman, showed promise for the future (provided you want to consider only offense). Miller is not, at this point in time a good player (ast 1.7, to 2.1, fg%33.5, 3p%31.6). Curbello, apparently we weren't the only ones who couldn't get the most out of him (see St. Johns' staff), and that "dynamic talent" accounted for less than stellar stats (ast 4.3, to 2.7, fg%42.4, 3p% 29.4). And as much as I'd have liked Podz to have stayed, you can't tell me that watching him last season in the limited action he saw that you could have forseen the jump he took, although one shouldn't discount the fact that he did it in a much less competitive conference.
 
#629      
First, Whitman's is the only opinion that matters outside of the players and remainder of the coaching staff. I couldn't care less what boosters think, and neither should Brad.
Second, the Maui tournament was in 2018. Brad has--by nearly every definition of the phrase--"toned it down" since then.
Third, and perhaps most importantly--I had coaches using that word with me in junior high. It made me want to work harder and not get called that anymore. If a word is going to break the spirit of an 18 or 19 year old, that 18 or 19 year old is most likely in over their head and may want to consider a different way to spend their time
I wish the boosters didn’t matter but they do and without their money the program would be in trouble. Thanks for letting me know Brad has toned it down, I was unaware. And third my cousins friends uncles brother used to call his player that word all the time too and they stuck it out cause they were tough and wanted to get better. For context the clip Terrance just Tweeted doesn’t bother me at all. Brad gets paid to coach however he likes and if he thinks that’s what it takes for the guys to run the plays he calls and be successful so be it. But he better keep winning or we will replace him with Miller when he goes to Texas, K St or wherever.
 
#630      
I think there's a very real chance that you get that
I hope so, but Vecencie putting him that high worries me. Most mock drafts predictions I pay no attention to, but Sam talks with not only plenty of college coaches, but also NBA front office people and scouts in forming his opinions.
 
#631      
Well evidently Whitman and some boosters disagree with his style at times also. I’m not an Underwood hater and think he is probably the best coach Illinois can get even though we had to overpay. I’ve seen a lot of practices at the Maui Invitational over the years with all the other supposed yellers included. Never seen anything close to what Brad did. He didn’t say stop playing like a blank and get your head out of your blank. Told a player he was a pu$$y straight to his face over and over. Not saying Underwood isn’t a good person or family man just shared a real experience that I thought was relevant since everyone enjoys talking about his behavior. Again I’m a fan of tough love but it shocked even me. Well I guess I should stop rooting for Illinois until Brad bakes everyone cookies to hand out during timeouts.
Do you have a source to provide us that Whitman disagrees with the way Brad coaches at times?
 
#632      
This board is Groundhog Day every March and April now.

Two years ago it was "How are we going to replace our ACs?" "is Kofi going to come back? Is he really gonna follow our ACs to UK?" "Are RJ and Podz gonna make it to campus?" "The sky is falling!". Kofi came back, we found great replacement ACs (P.S. How have OA and Chin done at UK?), and we got a share of the B10 title.

Last year it was "What are we gonna do without Kofi?" "The most minutes we are returning is Hawk" "This we be a total rebuild year". We landed TSJ and Mayer, beat some top teams, won 20 games, made the tourney, and developed key pieces like Sencire and Ty. Granted there was still plenty of disappointment, but the outcome was still much better than we expected right after the loss to Houston.

When Brad & Co. resolve the issues yet again, will some of you finally learn to trust the staff? Don't preach about the culture you want our team to have, when you act like a punk early in each offseason.
 
#633      

altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
We win a game during the season and the post-game thread struggles to add pages after the initial reaction, but a thread about Illini basketball two weeks after the season ends, oh baby you better believe we can have 24 pages and counting in less than two full days. It will always crack me up how much more people would rather b*tch than celebrate our success.
Mad props, TGG. You win the day with this one. 💯 :cool:
 
#634      
Well evidently Whitman and some boosters disagree with his style at times also. I’m not an Underwood hater and think he is probably the best coach Illinois can get even though we had to overpay. I’ve seen a lot of practices at the Maui Invitational over the years with all the other supposed yellers included. Never seen anything close to what Brad did. He didn’t say stop playing like a blank and get your head out of your blank. Told a player he was a pu$$y straight to his face over and over. Not saying Underwood isn’t a good person or family man just shared a real experience that I thought was relevant since everyone enjoys talking about his behavior. Again I’m a fan of tough love but it shocked even me. Well I guess I should stop rooting for Illinois until Brad bakes everyone cookies to hand out during timeouts.
I support BU and want him to win games, but I'm not convinced that his style of tough love is conducive to player development and team chemistry. The example you cite is totally unnecessary in my opinion, and I also have a problem with some of his "tamer" shots he has taken at his players. Mark "Oooh Mr. 5 star" Smith, Trent "Mirror Muscles" Frazier, Ayo "Cat Woman" Dosunmu, etc.

I'm not saying that players shouldn't get tough love or be open to tough criticism, but I think there is a better way of going about it. And let's be honest, for all of us managers out here in the real world, if any of us talked like that to our employees we would be out the door immediately. And yes, I get it, coaching a college or pro team isn't the same as managing corporate employees, but still think there is a more effective way for BU to go about it.
 
#635      
In this age of transfer portal, I have a hard time seeing Brad building a better program over time (than the heyday of Ayo and Kofi). The lack of trust and development of freshmen is real, hard to entice these kids to stay when you’re not giving them a chance to succeed, soon enough this is going to impact the recruiting pipeline.
 
#636      

ginabackes00

CrazedUIFan
If that were true, Brad would have benched Mayer for no defense/no effort. He didn’t until the very last 10 minutes of the season.

Blaming these guys for transferring out bc they can’t play defense is bs. What freshmen is good at defense? Very few.

Skyy Clark simply wasn’t good enough. Makes sense he transferred out.

But the other guys:

Adam Miller- was a good player. Never should have left.

Podz- misevaluation by the staff.

Andre Curbelo- dynamic talent that the staff couldn’t get the most out of.

Jayden Epps- very promising freshmen season. Left anyway.

When your employees leave the company, it’s the company’s fault.
Someone can correct me if I am incorrect, but Adam Miller's decision to transfer wasn't because HE was unhappy with Underwood. There were even rumors he could transfer back because Underwood and him had a good relationship.
Curbelo...there isn't a staff yet who has gotten the most out of him. And honestly, I felt he had a lot of leeway as a freshman, probably more than most coaches.
 
#638      
Lots of old men yelling at clouds lol

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#639      
Do you have a source to provide us that Whitman disagrees with the way Brad coaches at times?
I don’t know Whitman personally. Just heard the optics sometimes, like the tv clips floating around, were off putting to some and we don’t want to be the school with the red faced curse word coach as some would say. But like everything else on this board, who the hell really knows.
 
#643      
We win a game during the season and the post-game thread struggles to add pages after the initial reaction, but a thread about Illini basketball two weeks after the season ends, oh baby you better believe we can have 24 pages and counting in less than two full days. It will always crack me up how much more people would rather b*tch than celebrate our success.
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#649      
If that were true, Brad would have benched Mayer for no defense/no effort. He didn’t until the very last 10 minutes of the season.

Blaming these guys for transferring out bc they can’t play defense is bs. What freshmen is good at defense? Very few.

Skyy Clark simply wasn’t good enough. Makes sense he transferred out.

But the other guys:

Adam Miller- was a good player. Never should have left.

Podz- misevaluation by the staff.

Andre Curbelo- dynamic talent that the staff couldn’t get the most out of.

Jayden Epps- very promising freshmen season. Left anyway.

When your employees leave the company, it’s the company’s fault.
Yet the next coach couldn't get the best out of curbelo either so maybe it's not a coach issue
 
#650      
It’s 6 years later. Whatever the program looked like 6 years ago is irrelevant. The year that Groce got fired:

Groce’s 5th year. 18-14 (8-10)
Underwood’s 6th year: 20-13 (11-9)

Not that much different. Underwood’s issues is his record without Kofi, and the yearly attrition of key players that will prevent this team from getting to the next level.

Most fans aren’t happy with this level. Better than Groce isn’t enough. Not 6 years into a regime.

Just my opinion
I find the last few years of Groce's and Underwoord records to be relevant as well:

Groce
2013–14Illinois20–157–11T–8thNIT Second Round
2014–15Illinois19–149–9T–7thNIT First Round
2015–16Illinois15–195–1312th

Underwood
 
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