chrisRunner7
- Spokane, WA
I thought it looked like a charge (or a no-call) on the replay too. Maybe Trent would have gotten that call but they declined to give it to RJ.
Illinois 68, Michigan 53 Postgame
Thanks, but did you really think anyone on this message board would miss the game?
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Someone mentioned earlier in this thread or in game thread that if it wasn’t called a flop likely could have been called a blocking foul. That’s how I saw it too. Didn’t really have issue with flop call there.
That shows you that statistics don’t mean everything. Trent is far the more valuable player than Grandison or Plummer
And the above comments about the two flop calls illustrate why officials will never win. Unless of course they make calls that benefit your team.
We finally were able to adjust to the immense speed and quickness that MI brought to the floor.
Would every additional flop call have resulted in a T? If so, I guess I'd rather they had just called the blocking foul on RJ.
You are dismissing the excellent games that DMW has had against strong pressure D. I suppose that you must be making the erroneous assumption that when he has a good game, the other team imposed no pressure.
Too much MI speed and quickness. Sometimes, no matter how much one hustles, it doesn't make you quicker or faster than the opposing player.
I don't really disagree with you. But I'd be curious to know how these are calculated. Not super familiar with Torvik. Advanced metrics are often better at identifying things that the biased fan's naked eye can't.
But man, I do hope Trent finally cracks one of the All B1G teams. He's deserving.
This is the hard lesson Luka Garza is learning in the NBA.
You are misreading, but that is ok I said nothing about any of his other games. I love DMW as a player. He had an off game, and in my opinion (this is a fan forum which implies opinions) pressure defense is tough for him to act as the point. See what you did was say “I am erroneous” versus saying what your opinion is? Major problem with fan forums people can’t have a discussion without either direct hostility or passive aggressive hostility. Remember I never said anything about any other game try to look at that first before making your own assumptions about my thought process. It makes for much better discussion.
Thanks so much!
I believe that it benefitted UM with Hunter out. They were able to play much faster without him on the floor. Their inexperience showed but, I don't think that we were prepared for UM's athleticism.
Teams have been extending their D against us since before the Iowa game. Even back to Mizzoo.
I hope the team starts practicing back door cuts to the basket.
I guess I see this different? Trent is doing a tremendous job running the point and will get a vast majority of the point minutes even when/if Curbello comes back. That being said, Trent can’t play 40 minutes per game or worse if he gets in foul trouble.
Any team that has watched us knows that if Trent is off the floor press Illinois hard. DMW has done the best he can, but he just does not have tremendous ball handling skills. Plummer is even worse. DMW is so much more valuable to us as the do a little of everything guy than trying to run the point IMHO. Curbello would be such a huge addition to this team as a change of pace player coming off the bench. We the. Can play both the “4 out” offense along with PNR. That is just really hard for other teams to match.
InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
Some excellent observations here. Belo doesn’t just get Kofi the ball - he often draws/breaks down the defense in the process, leaving Kofi with more open lanes to the rim and not always having to make post moves with one or more defenders collapsing on him after he receives the pass.
Right now, Kofi is 4th in the nation in scoring, two points behind the leader, Keegan Murray. I think it’s not going too far out on a limb to say that, if Belo had been in the lineup all year, Kofi’s PPG would be more than two points higher.
Most likely heavily weighted to efficiency. Trent has a worse FG% and 3pt% than both Plummer and Grandison (as well as worse TS% and eFG%) and a higher turnover %. He also averages fewer pts on a per minute or per possession basis than either.
That being said, he is being asked to do a lot more and play a lot more minutes than either. He's taking a lot of bad shots because he's often the fall back option when things aren't clicking. He doesn't have the luxury to pass up contested shots in the way Plummer and Grandison often do. Add in that advanced metrics are not great at quantifying individual defense, where Trent is clearly better than Plummer and Grandison. I agree that Trent is more valuable than Plummer and Grandison (who are also both great!)
So far this season we’ve seen Trent just take over games when his team needed him to.
For all his great qualities, the fact that he’s doing this points right back to another great quality of his: Team First. Ego, No.
How? Trent voluntarily let Ayo take the lead Alpha over the Illini when Ayo arrived. Trent sent aside his ego and personal stats as he knew what Ayo represented to the team and the program’s revival in general. Trent learned how to become a tenacious defender that drives the opponents crazy. He did not pout. He expanded his game and became a better player.
And now that Ayo has moved on, Trent has slipped right back to being floor leader and Mister Clutch when the team is in trouble and the game is on the line.
For all the high marks that Trent will show in the record books when his Illini career is over, it is his quality of maturity and selflessness that really sets him apart from many players.
He is a most remarkable young man. And a joy to watch in whatever way he plays his game.
For all his great qualities, the fact that he’s doing this points right back to another great quality of his: Team First. Ego, No.
How? Trent voluntarily let Ayo take the lead Alpha over the Illini when Ayo arrived. Trent sent aside his ego and personal stats as he knew what Ayo represented to the team and the program’s revival in general. Trent learned how to become a tenacious defender that drives the opponents crazy. He did not pout. He expanded his game and became a better player.
And now that Ayo has moved on, Trent has slipped right back to being floor leader and Mister Clutch when the team is in trouble and the game is on the line.
For all the high marks that Trent will show in the record books when his Illini career is over, it is his quality of maturity and selflessness that really sets him apart from many players.
He is a most remarkable young man. And a joy to watch in whatever way he plays his game.
Well, Mizzoo recently had a 3 gane win streak against us, all against BU. So does that imply that Martin is a better coach than BU?We are now on a nice 4-game win streak vs. Michigan, all against Juwan.In fact, we are on at least a 1-game winning streak vs. 12 of our 13 Big Ten rivals:
W6 vs. Northwestern
W5 vs. Nebraska
W4 vs. Iowa
W4 vs. Michigan
W4 vs. Minnesota
W3 vs. Indiana
W3 vs. Penn State
W3 vs. Purdue
W3 vs. Wisconsin
W2 vs. Ohio State
W2 vs. Rutgers
W1 vs. Maryland
The only losing streak?
L3 vs. Michigan State. And I am hoping to change that very soon! If we can beat Purdue and Michigan, we will be on a winning streak vs. every single Big Ten opponent for the first time since 2005 to 2006.
You said, "against ANY pressure D". That has been proven to be erroneous. There was no assumption to make.
I agree, the Monte show needs to end. Great guy but he gets exposed game in and game out. Why BU plays him over the Podz is amazing. We need to get the youth worked in as Monte is gone after this year and they need experience
I am hoping we put AP on the bench as he can give us offense off the bench. We need to be bigger as Hawk needs to start as well.