Yeah, lets give up on him like we did Hawkins.
Illinois 71, Michigan State 68 Postgame
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I think if Shannon comes back it simply becomes a 7 man rotation and with Goode playing more 4 and Guerrier backing up Coleman at the 5. I would call it a small ball lineup but it's not even really that because they everyone is like 6'6+ outside of Harmon being 6'4.
Only run I see Dainja getting the way things are going is early foul trouble for Coleman/Quincy.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
He's a HOF coach and I generally enjoy watching his teams because they're well-prepared and talented. But we've finished ahead of or ~ even with them the past four seasons and he can't stand that. Plus, he's in last place this morning with Michigan.
He's often a complete tool when he loses. And, as we saw when he sent Sissoko after Ayo, he's not beneath thuggishness. Gotta say, however, I'll miss him when he retires, just like I missed Keady.
Dain seems lost right now. I think Hansberry might end up having to be the answer for to steal some minutes to give Coleman/Guerrier breaks or if there is foul trouble.
DGL will get more minutes against teams that don't have as good of guards as MSU. Moretti could likely fill this role too but haven't heard anything since the injury.
blackdog
- Champaign
I thought I had replied but I don't see the comment anymore so maybe I forgot to hit post....
Anyway he had a play in the 2nd half where he dribbled for about 15 seconds, went nowhere, then threw a bad pass out of bounds. It might not have been shown on the broadcast but after the play he slammed both hands on the floor and had a full on tantrum yelling at nobody to the point where BU had to pull him from the game. He was pacing in front of the bench yelling and waving his arms for a minute before they finally got him calmed back down. To Coleman's credit once he calmed down he obviously got his head back in the game and played great but that was a pretty ugly moment for him shades of his younger years.
Good Coleman is a defensive beast, makes quick decisions on offense, knocks down open shots, and generally makes winning plays.
Bad Coleman is trying to break a defender down off the dribble (his footwork is...not good), taking long 3s, and the antics.
Bad Coleman is almost entirely gone and Good Coleman is taking this team places but Bad Coleman still comes out every now and then.
This is too close for comfort to Izzo's philosophy that a basketball team should be able to play however they want and still be entitled to about the same number of free throws as the other team. No. Shooting more free throws does not indicate that the referees were on your side or good or even almost fair. Every foul call stands on its own merit and circumstance. Shooting fouls get more trips to the charity stripe.
MSU had ten more official FG attempts than Illinois at one point, despite the game being a push on rebounds, fouls, and turnovers. I don't need to wonder why.
Dain doesn't fit with this group, no point in trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Yup. You frequently have injuries, suspensions, transfers, etc. I always laugh at the preseason "worries" about too much depth. !!!! always happens and you don't have the depth you thought you would.
Likely had a lot to do with MSU having 5 more offensive rebounds and getting what seemed like 90% of 50/50 loose balls.
That's not how basketball math works. A rebound leads to a possession regardless of which one and of the floor it occurs on. Shooting fouls on missed shots are where those phantom possessions go.
Actually, no I didn’t realize that there could be that kind of FT discrepancy, and a 15 - 10 foul call difference (both in our favor) and we STILL could be able to state that “we didn't get any calls”. Thank you for enlightening me.
I'm not a whiner and I've been to Pizza Hut a few times.
Watched the game in person from about 10 rows back. There's a difference between refs letting both teams play hard nose basketball, and the mauling the Illini team was taking last night. The Illini should have shot 50 free throws to Sparty's 7......
Very fortunate someone wasn't hurt.
He literally hit 4 threes on 50% against the #1 team in the country last game LOL
Probably mental...also not a huge sample size..23 FT attempts his entire career
I was referring to field goal attempts. Did you reference number of possessions in your original post? If so, I must've missed that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a team shoots the ball and misses, then subsequently gets an offensive rebound and shoots the ball again, don't both of those shot attempts count?
buddy will scream at the team about missin layups but he misses his mouth eating? LOLPSA: Replay on FS2 @11:30 am central
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skyIdub
Winged Warrior
I'm not sure how those two things are connected?
No one on this planet can eat popcorn without some of it missing their mouth. If you can.....alien.
Are you saying that the 13 made free throws differential weren't the difference in a 3 point game?So all 71 points were free throws?
illini55
- The Villages, FL
This narrative is very tiresome. Especially this game.
An anology, if you will. When you play golf, you’re going to land in a divot now and then. Middle of the fairway. Is this “unfair?” No, it’s called “rub of the green.” It is an inevitable part of golf. It’s just like officiating. Inevitably, calls will be missed. It’s how you respond to the divot, or bad call, that shows your mettle. The successful athlete says : OK, let’s overcome it. The mediocre athlete lets it affect the future and often, loses not only that moment, but the game.
Enough with the officiating nonsense. Especially when we had a huge advantage at the line AND we won.
illinoisgrad1990
- Bloomington, IL
Good free Illini Inquirer article focused on Ty's stellar performance last night. I especially appreciated Coleman's comments supporting his teammate (plus Coleman is generally a hoot in his interviews):
Teammate Coleman Hawkins was more matter-of-fact in his response. “It’s kind of disrespectful in a way to do that, to put a five man on Ty," Hawkins said. "It’s funny because dude was just sitting in the paint and they’re expecting Ty to not do anything. And he went out there and started serving him. It was really good to see that. It made me laugh because I’m like, those big men are stiff and can’t really guard. I hope other teams continue to do that because he’ll do the same thing (as) tonight.”
Coach Izzo was also complimentary of our PG:
“I give Rodgers a lot of credit,” Izzo said. “I give Brad a lot of credit. He knows what he can do and he knows what he can’t do. In this day and age, every kid is trying to do what they can’t do. He didn’t do that. He did what he could do and we did a terrible job of letting him get to the rim. I thought he did his job and we didn’t do our job. I love a kid who … he’s not out there trying to shoot threes. He knows what his job is and he knows what he can do. I think the coach deserves credit for that and the player deserves a lot of credit for that. I’ve always been a Rodgers fan. I thought he had a couple big plays. Those plays he made early really hurt us. Those are almost like gift points and he made some nice moves so give him credit.”
Teammate Coleman Hawkins was more matter-of-fact in his response. “It’s kind of disrespectful in a way to do that, to put a five man on Ty," Hawkins said. "It’s funny because dude was just sitting in the paint and they’re expecting Ty to not do anything. And he went out there and started serving him. It was really good to see that. It made me laugh because I’m like, those big men are stiff and can’t really guard. I hope other teams continue to do that because he’ll do the same thing (as) tonight.”
Coach Izzo was also complimentary of our PG:
“I give Rodgers a lot of credit,” Izzo said. “I give Brad a lot of credit. He knows what he can do and he knows what he can’t do. In this day and age, every kid is trying to do what they can’t do. He didn’t do that. He did what he could do and we did a terrible job of letting him get to the rim. I thought he did his job and we didn’t do our job. I love a kid who … he’s not out there trying to shoot threes. He knows what his job is and he knows what he can do. I think the coach deserves credit for that and the player deserves a lot of credit for that. I’ve always been a Rodgers fan. I thought he had a couple big plays. Those plays he made early really hurt us. Those are almost like gift points and he made some nice moves so give him credit.”
It is what it is right? THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION but I agree, people are still trying to put pieces in that don't fit. We have 6 guys right now. I think it could be 7 if Amani could work his way in when healthy. He could spell Coleman at times. He shoots the three and can guard some. He rebounds. Does that mean that I think he should be in front of Dain? Call it what you will but he does different things that Dain doesn't do and vice versa. Does that make him a better player? It depends what system you are using. Brad is using the 5 out. Within the current system, I think HE DOES fit better. More than that, he is a BIG part of our future. Now, that being said, there could be games that Dain is more valuable due to his ability to post in certain situations. It's tough but I am in agreement that Dain would be better off starting at Minnesota or some other team where he is used as a conventional Big. Dain has a lot of upside. That being said, with the players that we have coming in next year, it appears that Brad is sticking with his current strategy of using this current system. Thus far, it is working.
It's because they are paying attention to the one thing Dain does better than Coleman, his beautiful back to the basket touch near the rim, and ignore literally everything else in the game where Coleman is much better.
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