I love Ayo and still my Illini favorite player but yes Wagler is a better freshman.
Illinois 75, Iowa 69 Postgame
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Dang. You really are negative. Both football and basketball new navy uniforms are ssssswwwweeeeetttt...and associated with quality wins!
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
What a joy to see upon landing!! HUGE win.
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RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
I’m old enough to remember when defense and free throw shooting was going to doom us.
skyIdub
"I can't tell you. Secret."
This came up after the game between me an my brother after he said "we're a basketball school!" at some point and I laughed and said "not anymore!" and he got fake mad and said "that's it I'm going home"! and then proceeded to go home....Lmfao
as usual
We've now had TWO games with very unfortunate flagrant calls with under a minute. Have managed to pull out both.
band camp
- STL City
100%
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Here's what drives me crazy with the hook and hold.
Wagler committed a foul on the play. He grabbed and pulled the guy he was fighting for the rebound with, that's a foul.
But because of the toxic over-regulation and lawyerization of the sports industry now, this has arbitrarily been slotted into the rules sub-category of a "player safety issue" so it becomes this Kafkaesque zone of exception where the mere invocation of the idea has to slam the action to a halt and divert the proceedings into a legal seminar no one understands.
It was obvious from the very first replay, which we saw 10 seconds after the play, that a hook and hold would be called. The indicators they have been trained to look for were there, no doubt about the eventual outcome. Tate Sage knew it too, he knew pressing the case would be rewarded.
But first we had to sit through the discussion of McCollum deciding whether to challenge with the referee, then the refs explaining it to each of (1) the official scorers (2) both coaches, and (3) the clueless announcers who habitually cannot explain these situations and spent the time flubbing through the difference between a "challenge" and an "appeal".
Then the actual review is looked at, which should have been subject to a time limit from the absolute first day it was ever instituted into sports.
And then the refs spend an inordinate time talking over the call themselves, and what it means in terms of what the result will be.
Then another round of explanations, and finally we get the decision that was obvious all along, and which because it exists in the "player safety issue" zone of exception is treated as a flagrant rather than common foul.
It's HORRIBLE television, presented with totally inadequate explanation and context, and has been artificially made to affect the game more than the hook and hold "problem" ever justified in the first place, which only raises the stakes, causes players to flop and seek those calls and the refs more eager to over-review.
All for a foul which the refs ought to be able to see and call themselves on the floor.
As a sports fan, this gets worse and worse and worse every single year. We the fans need to speak with a clear and common voice that we want our games back.
Wagler committed a foul on the play. He grabbed and pulled the guy he was fighting for the rebound with, that's a foul.
But because of the toxic over-regulation and lawyerization of the sports industry now, this has arbitrarily been slotted into the rules sub-category of a "player safety issue" so it becomes this Kafkaesque zone of exception where the mere invocation of the idea has to slam the action to a halt and divert the proceedings into a legal seminar no one understands.
It was obvious from the very first replay, which we saw 10 seconds after the play, that a hook and hold would be called. The indicators they have been trained to look for were there, no doubt about the eventual outcome. Tate Sage knew it too, he knew pressing the case would be rewarded.
But first we had to sit through the discussion of McCollum deciding whether to challenge with the referee, then the refs explaining it to each of (1) the official scorers (2) both coaches, and (3) the clueless announcers who habitually cannot explain these situations and spent the time flubbing through the difference between a "challenge" and an "appeal".
Then the actual review is looked at, which should have been subject to a time limit from the absolute first day it was ever instituted into sports.
And then the refs spend an inordinate time talking over the call themselves, and what it means in terms of what the result will be.
Then another round of explanations, and finally we get the decision that was obvious all along, and which because it exists in the "player safety issue" zone of exception is treated as a flagrant rather than common foul.
It's HORRIBLE television, presented with totally inadequate explanation and context, and has been artificially made to affect the game more than the hook and hold "problem" ever justified in the first place, which only raises the stakes, causes players to flop and seek those calls and the refs more eager to over-review.
All for a foul which the refs ought to be able to see and call themselves on the floor.
As a sports fan, this gets worse and worse and worse every single year. We the fans need to speak with a clear and common voice that we want our games back.
And the drum keeps beating...
Some pretty significant "foul stats."
Illinois is:
- 4th nationally in FT %
- 1st nationally in defensive free throw rate
- through five B10 games, Illinois has shot a combined 112 free throws. Their opponents have shot 57.
Illinois is:
- 4th nationally in FT %
- 1st nationally in defensive free throw rate
- through five B10 games, Illinois has shot a combined 112 free throws. Their opponents have shot 57.
sacraig
- The desert
Sorry, I've been on and off airplanes today.
Man one thing I hope gets better is Tomi’s confidence. You could tell he had multiple open looks from 3 and he wasn’t feeling good enough to let it fly versus last year he doesn’t even hesitate.
Probably just comes with more reps, but it opens up the rest of his game so we need him to gain that confidence.
Probably just comes with more reps, but it opens up the rest of his game so we need him to gain that confidence.
Judging by the announcer comments at the end of the game (when outcome decided), the announcers
were in full masks and hazmat suits.Ayo looked really good last night at the United Center. Getting the place warmed up for future Illini draftees-to-be on the way up there...
He was unplayable. Defensively was completely lost, and his turnovers led to easy runouts.
I think it's time to accept Tomi just isnt needed or used in same capacity as last season. He feasted on those pick and pops with KJ
Keaton will just get to the hoop. Not to mention a better shooter than KJ.
Offense is going through Mirk as well. Where it'd only go through Tomi in the frontcourt last season.
With how Z is playing, Tomi should only be getting 15-20 minutes a game. Z's been the better player all season. He's a game changer defensively
Keaton will just get to the hoop. Not to mention a better shooter than KJ.
Offense is going through Mirk as well. Where it'd only go through Tomi in the frontcourt last season.
With how Z is playing, Tomi should only be getting 15-20 minutes a game. Z's been the better player all season. He's a game changer defensively
Took care of business. On the road. Against a Top 20 team that was favored by Vegas. In a tough venue. Withstood adversity. Refused to fold. Can’t ask for much more.
JFGsCoffeeMug
BU:1 Trash cans:0
- Chicago
What a difference from the slow starts that seemingly plagued us for years.
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