GallopingGhost
- Denver, CO
So we go back to terrible starts and losses after this?
Illinois 79, Penn State 65 Postgame
Hope not.
Never expected to see Curbelo playing the high post.
Yeah, I am not so sure that it was terribly effective with him in there since he is a smaller target, IMO.
I don't feel like he was in there too awfully long to gain a good understanding or opinion of how it went, but to me, it didn't seem too open when he was in there.
3 things I was reflecting on this morning when thinking back to last nights game.
1. Hawkins deserves to get playing time. I really wish Brad hadn't benched him for swearing. It seems Coleman has done nothing but good things for us when he's been on the court in all of his games including this one, and yet Brad continues to not play him as many minutes as I feel like he should. I admit I'm not a coach and have limited on court experience, but Hawkins looks to be exactly the piece this team is missing and getting him more playing time is a great thing for our post-season chances.
2. When you hit a guy in the head, and it's no where near the ball, that's a technical foul and it needs to be called. It doesn't matter that the guy you hit was 7'-1" and didn't flinch or that you broke your arm in the process. It's still a technical and it's absolutely terrible that the Ref's didn't call it. Those ref's should make a public statement about such an egregious miss as it is clear they are not trying to protect the players (Kofi) in that instance.
3. I'm still sour that we lost 10+ minutes of our lives at the end of the first half, but I think the Ref's got the call correct in the end. In the moment I was certain they were going to eject the entire Penn State bench and the game was basically going to be over - and I really didn't want that to happen since I wanted to see Illinois actually string 2 halves together for once.
Looking back at the NCAA Rulebook for 2020-21, Section 12 Article 2 states, "A team member who leaves the bench area during a fight shall be disqualified and ejected." So the ref's must have been watching the tape to determine if what occurred at the end of the first half constituted a "fight". Since no punches were thrown and there really wasn't even any pushing either, I think they got it right in the end by not calling it a fight. Also, Section 10 Article 1 clause b states that a coaching delay is when "Bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has been terminated, which prevents the ball from promptly being made live or prevents continuous action. (See Rule 10-4.2.h)". Rule 10-4.2.h states, "Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as bench personnel entering the playing 98 RULE 10 / Foulsand Penalties court before player activity has been terminated. In such a case, when the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored." so the Ref's must have decided that the players rushing the court didn't interfere with play and so ignored it.
1. Hawkins deserves to get playing time. I really wish Brad hadn't benched him for swearing. It seems Coleman has done nothing but good things for us when he's been on the court in all of his games including this one, and yet Brad continues to not play him as many minutes as I feel like he should. I admit I'm not a coach and have limited on court experience, but Hawkins looks to be exactly the piece this team is missing and getting him more playing time is a great thing for our post-season chances.
2. When you hit a guy in the head, and it's no where near the ball, that's a technical foul and it needs to be called. It doesn't matter that the guy you hit was 7'-1" and didn't flinch or that you broke your arm in the process. It's still a technical and it's absolutely terrible that the Ref's didn't call it. Those ref's should make a public statement about such an egregious miss as it is clear they are not trying to protect the players (Kofi) in that instance.
3. I'm still sour that we lost 10+ minutes of our lives at the end of the first half, but I think the Ref's got the call correct in the end. In the moment I was certain they were going to eject the entire Penn State bench and the game was basically going to be over - and I really didn't want that to happen since I wanted to see Illinois actually string 2 halves together for once.
Looking back at the NCAA Rulebook for 2020-21, Section 12 Article 2 states, "A team member who leaves the bench area during a fight shall be disqualified and ejected." So the ref's must have been watching the tape to determine if what occurred at the end of the first half constituted a "fight". Since no punches were thrown and there really wasn't even any pushing either, I think they got it right in the end by not calling it a fight. Also, Section 10 Article 1 clause b states that a coaching delay is when "Bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has been terminated, which prevents the ball from promptly being made live or prevents continuous action. (See Rule 10-4.2.h)". Rule 10-4.2.h states, "Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as bench personnel entering the playing 98 RULE 10 / Foulsand Penalties court before player activity has been terminated. In such a case, when the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored." so the Ref's must have decided that the players rushing the court didn't interfere with play and so ignored it.
BillyBob1
- Champaign
Hawkins was benched because he got a T for taunting.
Well, he was at Iowa for about 14 years, so........
He got a T for saying "Give me that !!!!" after a blocked shot. I say swearing, you say taunting. But we're talking about the same play. And I stand by what I said, he should have gotten more play time.
There was a time out called at some point during that fiasco. If that occurred before the bench clearing then those rules don't apply. However, I don't know the point at which the TO was called.
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Agree with him getting more playing time. He has shown in flashes to be the best player on the court when it comes to blocked shots and rebounding. Of course when he is on the court kofi is off of the court so....
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Disagree about giorgi. There is no way he should be on the court at the same time as belo. He acts like he has both arms and one leg amputated when he is around the rim. almost half of belo turnovers are because georgi is napping
It's at least the second time in as many games as I've seen Kofi get thwacked hard on the head without a foul call, much less a T. That leaves out all the times he gets cracked across the arms each game.
He would be unguardable in the post if officiating was equitable.
I completely agree. I really like Hawkins play. He's got a nice quick stroke, he's very aggressive, decent defense- loved the block shots last night and he seems to have a nose for the ball.
I believe this is correct...the TO that BU called must have been, deemed in the officials minds, before PSU players entered the court. Players all the time enter the court of play as a TO has been called....not saying thats what happened here but it would make some sense...since no one was ejected and only 1 additional T was levied against PSU
To clear things up: Brad himself said during the postgame interview that he made it his mission to get Coleman more minutes. He seems set on continuing that trend. Also, he put Coleman on the bench, and advised him to factor the tone of game when he does stuff like that. Things were already hostile so this wasn't smart on Coleman's part. I agree with this call by Brad. Especially in close games... you have to factor the tone. Also, Coleman played later durinng the game again. Brad also commented that in general, he likes the aggression displayed.
BillyBob1
- Champaign
Since he was staring at him when he yelled it, it was taunting and he got a T. That’s why he was taken out of the game, as he should. It’s the second time this year he’s done it and he needs to learn.
I wonder does the schools get to grade or evaluate the officiating after each game or can they ask the league to look into a particular call or play?
That's a good point. Underwood called for a Timeout (hands on shoulders) immediately. That action may have saved the entire Penn State bench.
Except when Kofi got his 4th block and did his little finger wag (clearly taunting) that didn't get the same treatment. The only difference is that Hawkins drew a Tech (which was ridiculous when PSU was taunting harder in Ayo's face and didn't get a tech for that or when they smacked Kofi in the head). Underwood should have said "ef you ref" and kept Hawkins on the floor.
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Is this true? Have I somehow missed that Hawkins only plays alongside Giorgi and not next to Kofi? That would explain the lack of playing time for Hawkins. I know I've never seen Hawkins playing the 5, so he's either out there with Giorgi or Kofi...
I disagree, if the defender has proper defensive positioning they would be able to guard Kofi just fine without hacking at him. The ref's should not be allowing fouls on Kofi just because he'd dominate otherwise, the NCAA Rulebook explicitly states that a focus for this year is to call the rules as they are written. Time to hold the ref's accountable, even if it means Underwood/Illinois get fined in the process.
illini80
- Forgottonia
I’m not sure he will ever have that ability although I hope he does. Travis Tate talks about how NBA guys look at college players FT % as a reliable indicator of whether they can improve a jump shot enough to have a chance in the big league. Kofi will very likely be the best center we ever have or have had. I truly hope he has NBA career and we get to watch him for many years.
I'm not a big fan of taunting being penalized, but I also don't wish for my team to do it.
Basically, handle it internally and stop being so punitive at the league level.
Just my view.
Basically, handle it internally and stop being so punitive at the league level.
Just my view.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
I think the psu player was DJ Cooper(?) that taunted Ayo , with no call against , and after replaying the incident at the end of the first half, he also was the player who incited it further with his mouthing off towards DMW....
psu has numerous players with an attitude like the wheeler dude who started the Ayo confrontation by pushing belo down....they need to do something to corral that mentality after all ,psu isn't regarded as a leader in the finer points of collegiate life...(Sandusky, Paterno )
TheFameProtector
- Champaign
I am 100% in the camp of play Coleman more, but I also agree with the benching for that moment if only to teach him that there's no use in blocking a shot if you're going to act stupid and give them two freebies. Gotta use the teachable moment while you have it and hope there's no need for another in the future.
My point being the officiating isn't equitable. The fact that Kofi is a physical specimen is leading refs to let guys guarding him to get away with too much contact.