Illinois 80, Wisconsin 67 Postgame

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#326      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
I'm going to have to board up my windows and lock my doors after I say this. But...

I don't think the Edey elbow is that egregious. "Ball beneath your chin. Elbows out. Squeeze with both hands.", is taught by coaches in high schools all over the country. I can still hear my coach screaming, "SQUEEZE! SQUEEZE!" It's the most secure way to hold a ball while still being in something of a triple threat position.

That said, I do think that it is a dirty play when Edey does it. He knows that defenders have to make a business decision- guard him or catch an elbow to the head.

But I can see how it would be difficult to police as an official because you basically have to judge his intent which is hard to do.
It isn't the "squeeze" that's the problem, it's when the swing looks to be targeting the opponent rather than just clearing out.
 
#327      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
I'm going to have to board up my windows and lock my doors after I say this. But...

I don't think the Edey elbow is that egregious. "Ball beneath your chin. Elbows out. Squeeze with both hands.", is taught by coaches in high schools all over the country. I can still hear my coach screaming, "SQUEEZE! SQUEEZE!" It's the most secure way to hold a ball while still being in something of a triple threat position.

That said, I do think that it is a dirty play when Edey does it. He knows that defenders have to make a business decision- guard him or catch an elbow to the head.

But I can see how it would be difficult to police as an official because you basically have to judge his intent which is hard to do.
Just my opinion , but I believe any contact of one player with their elbow to the head of another player is reviewable whether there was intent or not ......

Intent would be a judgment issue , whereas , seeing contact of an elbow to another player head should be the only evidence needed to make the call.....
Am I missing the intent of the rule to begin with....??....being shorter than Edey and in line with his elbows when he catches the ball and turns with his elbows
extended straight out should make him liable , not the defender ....We have the verticality rule now on jumpshots , why wouldn't it be right for and official to call a foul on Edey when he smacks his elbows into somebodies head ....he shouldn't get a pass for being taller than everyone else.......

Enforce the rule or drop it for everyone.....

JMHO
 
#328      
I'm going to have to board up my windows and lock my doors after I say this. But...

I don't think the Edey elbow is that egregious. "Ball beneath your chin. Elbows out. Squeeze with both hands.", is taught by coaches in high schools all over the country. I can still hear my coach screaming, "SQUEEZE! SQUEEZE!" It's the most secure way to hold a ball while still being in something of a triple threat position.

That said, I do think that it is a dirty play when Edey does it. He knows that defenders have to make a business decision- guard him or catch an elbow to the head.

But I can see how it would be difficult to police as an official because you basically have to judge his intent which is hard to do.
Agree that I don't think Edey's elbows are egregious, a dirty play, or that he is swinging with any intent to hit Kofi or anyone else in the head. I do think it is a basketball play and thus not flagrant. But, they are offensive fouls and should be called as such.
 
#329      
I'm going to have to board up my windows and lock my doors after I say this. But...

I don't think the Edey elbow is that egregious. "Ball beneath your chin. Elbows out. Squeeze with both hands.", is taught by coaches in high schools all over the country. I can still hear my coach screaming, "SQUEEZE! SQUEEZE!" It's the most secure way to hold a ball while still being in something of a triple threat position.

That said, I do think that it is a dirty play when Edey does it. He knows that defenders have to make a business decision- guard him or catch an elbow to the head.

But I can see how it would be difficult to police as an official because you basically have to judge his intent which is hard to do.
Shouldn't be that hard. Just having your elbows out to secure the ball is not a foul. If you swing them or use them to clear space it becomes a foul. If you make contact above the shoulders it becomes a flagrant foul. Pretty simple, refs just need to enforce it.
 
#330      
It's a clear offensive foul - and frankly, Edey is big enough to get the shots he wants without doing it. In 30 years+ of playing ball, I've never thrown an elbow like that to somebody's head. The officials in the B1G are doing him a disservice by allowing it for two years - if won't fly in the NCAA tourney, and if he pulls that !!!! in the NBA, it's going to cost him money and maybe a broken jaw.
 
#332      

Calillini

Now appearing in Tampa
Kofi would have crowding 50 points instead of 40 had he made some of those front ends
What’s his % this year. I think he has improved over all, but late in the game, he gets tired from getting hammered by all the munchkins who surround him :) and maybe doesn’t concentrate on hitting the FTs
 
#333      
What’s his % this year. I think he has improved over all, but late in the game, he gets tired from getting hammered by all the munchkins who surround him :) and maybe doesn’t concentrate on hitting the FTs
He's 66%, up from 55% last year, and much closer to his Freshman year numbers (68%)
 
#341      
Seems like free throw shooting should be simple. I'm going to throw this out for your consideration.

For those who have never experienced it, here's my take on the whole free throw conundrum.

The game of college basketball, as we all know, is all fast paced action; from end to end and sideline to sideline.

Sprinting all out, and back-peddling the other way. Ninety-Two feet, both ways. Side step, side step, side step; first one way, then the other; and then back. Setting picks; busting through picks. Posting up; Defending the post. Sag to help; then rush the shooter. Work hard. No let up. All-out. Push harder, even when you can push no more. Then...

... Everything stops!

It's the stops that's the problem. Like being on a fishing boat at sea for several hours. You come dockside and put your feet on solid ground, and you still have the feeling of movement. It's called "sea-legs." It takes time to regain your equilibrium. I think there's something in your brain that gets off-kilter, after intense minutes of non stop action with extreme pressure and constant exertion. It's hard to adjust to the stillness of the moment.

To me, it was always the stopping part that I found most difficult...
It always seemed easier to me to hit a pull-up jumper off a fast break than to shoot a free throw.

The good news is, these guys are great athletes, and very well conditioned; and good shooters. Hopefully we'll rise above the misses, and make up for them, if needed, in the other aspects of the game. We can discuss that, in another Thread.

GO ILLINI
 
#342      
Seems like free throw shooting should be simple. I'm going to throw this out for your consideration.

For those who have never experienced it, here's my take on the whole free throw conundrum.

The game of college basketball, as we all know, is all fast paced action; from end to end and sideline to sideline.

Sprinting all out, and back-peddling the other way. Ninety-Two feet, both ways. Side step, side step, side step; first one way, then the other; and then back. Setting picks; busting through picks. Posting up; Defending the post. Sag to help; then rush the shooter. Work hard. No let up. All-out. Push harder, even when you can push no more. Then...

... Everything stops!

It's the stops that's the problem. Like being on a fishing boat at sea for several hours. You come dockside and put your feet on solid ground, and you still have the feeling of movement. It's called "sea-legs." It takes time to regain your equilibrium. I think there's something in your brain that gets off-kilter, after intense minutes of non stop action with extreme pressure and constant exertion. It's hard to adjust to the stillness of the moment.

To me, it was always the stopping part that I found most difficult...
It always seemed easier to me to hit a pull-up jumper off a fast break than to shoot a free throw.

The good news is, these guys are great athletes, and very well conditioned; and good shooters. Hopefully we'll rise above the misses, and make up for them, if needed, in the other aspects of the game. We can discuss that, in another Thread.

GO ILLINI
Dramamine anyone.....think I'm sea
seasick GIF by Archie Comics
 
#343      
Seems like free throw shooting should be simple. I'm going to throw this out for your consideration.

For those who have never experienced it, here's my take on the whole free throw conundrum.

The game of college basketball, as we all know, is all fast paced action; from end to end and sideline to sideline.

Sprinting all out, and back-peddling the other way. Ninety-Two feet, both ways. Side step, side step, side step; first one way, then the other; and then back. Setting picks; busting through picks. Posting up; Defending the post. Sag to help; then rush the shooter. Work hard. No let up. All-out. Push harder, even when you can push no more. Then...

... Everything stops!

It's the stops that's the problem. Like being on a fishing boat at sea for several hours. You come dockside and put your feet on solid ground, and you still have the feeling of movement. It's called "sea-legs." It takes time to regain your equilibrium. I think there's something in your brain that gets off-kilter, after intense minutes of non stop action with extreme pressure and constant exertion. It's hard to adjust to the stillness of the moment.

To me, it was always the stopping part that I found most difficult...
It always seemed easier to me to hit a pull-up jumper off a fast break than to shoot a free throw.

The good news is, these guys are great athletes, and very well conditioned; and good shooters. Hopefully we'll rise above the misses, and make up for them, if needed, in the other aspects of the game. We can discuss that, in another Thread.

GO ILLINI
Need to get them a biathlon coach to help them adjust.
 
#344      

Chad Fleck

Eureka, IL
You can see Kofi, especially, stand there and calm himself when he steps up to shoot a FT. Lines up with what you say about game pace. Makes all the sense to me.
 
#345      
I could be wrong. It's not like I keep track but it seemed to me that Kofi was over 70 until here lately
I believe he was. He is certainly shooting better overall from the line this year, but the big thing is he’s been more consistent. Last year I believe he had 9 games in which he shot 70% or better from line but 16 in which he shot 50% or less. This year thus far he’s had 8 games already that he’s shot 70% or better and only 3 where he’s been 50% or worse.
 
#347      
Seems like free throw shooting should be simple. I'm going to throw this out for your consideration.

For those who have never experienced it, here's my take on the whole free throw conundrum.

The game of college basketball, as we all know, is all fast paced action; from end to end and sideline to sideline.

Sprinting all out, and back-peddling the other way. Ninety-Two feet, both ways. Side step, side step, side step; first one way, then the other; and then back. Setting picks; busting through picks. Posting up; Defending the post. Sag to help; then rush the shooter. Work hard. No let up. All-out. Push harder, even when you can push no more. Then...

... Everything stops!

It's the stops that's the problem. Like being on a fishing boat at sea for several hours. You come dockside and put your feet on solid ground, and you still have the feeling of movement. It's called "sea-legs." It takes time to regain your equilibrium. I think there's something in your brain that gets off-kilter, after intense minutes of non stop action with extreme pressure and constant exertion. It's hard to adjust to the stillness of the moment.

To me, it was always the stopping part that I found most difficult...
It always seemed easier to me to hit a pull-up jumper off a fast break than to shoot a free throw.

The good news is, these guys are great athletes, and very well conditioned; and good shooters. Hopefully we'll rise above the misses, and make up for them, if needed, in the other aspects of the game. We can discuss that, in another Thread.

GO ILLINI
I actually shot my free throws with a jump shot in high school until after my Jr year. I would start at the top of the key, take one bounce in with my left hand and, shoot my jump shot. My coach finally figured out that I was scared of stepping over the free-throw line and got me to stop worrying about it.
I hit over 80% from the line using that jump shot.
 
#348      
I actually shot my free throws with a jump shot in high school until after my Jr year. I would start at the top of the key, take one bounce in with my left hand and, shoot my jump shot. My coach finally figured out that I was scared of stepping over the free-throw line and got me to stop worrying about it.
I hit over 80% from the line using that jump shot.
Wow. Good for you. I never shot over 70%.

Isn't that how one of the 76er great scorers back in the sixties shot his free throws?

Was it Chet Walker?
 
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