To be fair, transition basketball isn't our strength. We had zero fast break points vs. Kansas.
Illinois 82, Kansas 75 (Exhibition) Postgame
It's also been the general strategy over the past few seasons under Brad. He constantly emphasizes that he wants to force tough two point attempts and Illinois has ranked 16th and 8th in opponent three point rate over the past two seasons.
sacraig
- The desert
To be even more fair, it's hard to draw conclusions about our actual ability to get points in transition based on a single exhibition game against one of the most athletic teams in the country.
and would have been even better if not for playing PSU 3 times last year /s
Bill self is not Juwan Howard. I expect the Dick to have an outstanding year.
But wait! Is it really a good idea to take wildly emotional and reactive recency bias out of watching sports? Won’t that remove 90% of the fun?
IMO, we'll see this line up a lot at the end of close games, decent ball handling, decent FT%, tons of experience that won't get rattled by a full court press of any kind, etc.
decent at everything not great but no glaring weaknesses. And if either Coleman or TSJ are hot from 3, we win. If not, we probably win most close games anyway.
We get it, our defense had nothing to do with kansas not shooting there threes very well and not getting as many attempts as they usually would.
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lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Polls are based on perception. That’s why the poll numbers don’t always match up with KenPom numbers. Pollsters are 100% going to have this game in the back of their mind next time they submit their votes.
NCAA tourney seeding, however, won’t include this game in their evaluation.
NCAA tourney seeding, however, won’t include this game in their evaluation.
Fortunately, Ken Pom already has us at 19. May the voters will get with the program.
sacraig
- The desert
KenPom isn't really much better than polls at this stage in the season when we literally haven't played a game. It is based entirely on the players' production from the previous season, which is basically the same as polls.
Big XII generally has more athletic players than the Big Ten. I think there will be a lot of teams that leave their athletic, albeit probably physically weaker big, 1 on 1 with Hunter. I think they’ll make him prove that he can score over the athleticism, while allowing perimeter defenders to stay 1 on 1 with shooters.
I think both teams played hard, but Kansas did 2 things that really hurt us that they didn’t truly stick with like I think they would have in a regular game.
The pick and roll with KJ short rolling and sliding the big to the strong side dunker spot, leaving the 2 on 1 with KJ/Hunter and our big defender was open every time. They also went to their high low stuff and were open a couple times. In a real game I bet Bill Self is calling that until we stop it.
Also in a real game, a team is gonna execute and you’re gonna give up some buckets because of it. So would we have been able to adjust properly is the question. With BU’s history and our experience, I’d say probably. Overall, a good, fun game to watch.
I think both teams played hard, but Kansas did 2 things that really hurt us that they didn’t truly stick with like I think they would have in a regular game.
The pick and roll with KJ short rolling and sliding the big to the strong side dunker spot, leaving the 2 on 1 with KJ/Hunter and our big defender was open every time. They also went to their high low stuff and were open a couple times. In a real game I bet Bill Self is calling that until we stop it.
Also in a real game, a team is gonna execute and you’re gonna give up some buckets because of it. So would we have been able to adjust properly is the question. With BU’s history and our experience, I’d say probably. Overall, a good, fun game to watch.
Anyone have any comparative stats from last year focusing on the total number of fast-break points????
I emailed him a while back and asked him about how he handles that as the season progresses. IIRC, he said it diminishes in his metrics and is totally eliminated after 20 games. I didn't ask the reason it took so long, but I suspect it's because of the nature of the non-conf making comparisons difficult, at least for some teams.
sacraig
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I actually though it tapered out fast than that. But yes, the weight given to the prior season decreases as the number of games in a new season increases.
Way too early to say that.
If we can't determine that against the #1 ranked team, then when / against whom?
Think what he is saying is 1 game isn't enough to go on to say we won't have issues at PG no matter who the opponent of that game was.
After probably 10-15 games, I'd say.
Just because it worked against Kansas, doesn't mean it will work all season. I hope it does work; I think Rodgers is awesome, but we beat Texas and UCLA last year, and lots of other good teams, but PG play definitely held us back last year.
That's exactly what I am saying. Kansas made no effort to exploit Ty's unwillingness to shoot from more than 2 feet away from the rim. What happens when a team throws a zone at us or applies full court pressure? I'm curious to see. I'll note here that Ty had as many turnovers as he had assists.
Look, I really liked Ty's aggressiveness with the dribble drive, defense, and we all know that he can rebound. I'm just not sold on him as a lead guard.
Did KU ever really press? They seemed to value getting back on defense, but not putting much on ball pressure away from the 3 pt line. Gotta say I was surprised the PG by committee worked as well as it did.
Coleman was huge. So many veteran and unselfish plays. Who'd of thought that down the stretch, he would dribble around looking for a pass, and wind up having to take a step-back 3... and drains it. TSJ obviously huge as well.
RIDICULOUS! Okay say you make 85% of your layups and 38% of open 3s. 100 layups = 170 points 100 3's = 114 points. Unless time is running out in the game and you are 3 points down, you had sure as heck better take the layup instead of a 3.
When they put up an early 3, why do you think that announcers say, "He could have gotten that shot anytime, they should have worked it for something better."?
How many teams actually press in CBB? Not very many
If teams want to Zone us then we will just roll w/ Harmon, Domask, Coleman, Goode, TJ. But not many teams actually run zone or work on it in practice. As for the press(which again not many teams do or do well) then there are various ways to break it and I think we will ultimately be alright with TJ, Domask, Ty, Harmon and Coleman