The feeling is very mutual. One of my least favorite B1G players in awhile and he just keeps turning up.
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I said this earlier but was met with comments about his playing time is 19 minutes a game. Yeah but also played 5 cupcakes to help mpg and 4 good teams. Yes good defense (fouls too much) and rebounder but has to be a threat to score.
Cringe when I see a lineup of Harris, Rodgers and Dain plus any 2 others - where are the points going to come from?
Before the season I would have agreed with you full heartedly.
But I think we are a very rare team in that we actually can go 9 deep. And not only do we not lose anything by doing so but everyone has the ability to add something unique to the lineup.
Dain: post presence
Epps: microwave
Harris: our best on-ball defender
Goode: knock down three point shooter
Rodgers: Solid glue guy. Probably toughest path to consistent playing time.
Not sure why we would want to drop 2 or 3 of those guys out of the rotation.
I think he just flipped because it was a bad call, then the assistant coaches grabbed him to calm him down. Surprised he didn't flip when they didn't change the call. What's the point of instant replay if you don't change an obvious mistake? Probably already been discussed, but didn't read the first 20 pages.
I am far from qualified to make any categorical statement on Ty Rodgers, but from what I have seen, it is his effort and hoops IQ that made him a offensive threat in HS. He is pretty good within 8 ft. of the basket, can rebound, has great handles, outstanding vision, and a willing and proud passer of the ball. However, none of those are elite enough at the B1G level to make him an big contributor on this team, and his FT shooting is a huge negative. His IQ and dependability make him valuable in crunch time, but his FT shooting negates that contribution. Both his court and FT shooting can be elevated to acceptable with hard work....and I expect he is willing to do the work. Great kid who I admire without any personal knowledge. Being humble by being willing to do the little and unseen things well is admirable and desired by coaches, but at the level of this program, he needs to be a dependable scorer. I think he will be at some point.
Ty has to hit the gym and shoot a bunch of jumpers until he can make a consistent one simple as that. I watched all the games in the FIBA Americas Tournament. He played well and was a Starter amongst a group of impressively rated American prospects, but all his points were pretty much right at the rim and often uncontested (the games were so lopsided that there was plenty of love to be spread throughout the roster). If he is a bigger Da'Monte (who had to develop his jumper) that's not the worst thing in the world, although he can certainly be more especially as he already has a really nice passing touch that Da'Monte didn't at least until his Super Senior season.
I think Rodgers is probably a four-year college player, so if we can keep him that entire time I think he is really going to become a force eventually once he gets his shot figured out.
Not saying he is going to become as good as him, but Draymond Green was 2-17 as a Freshman and Sophomore for MSU, by his senior year he was shooting 38.8 % from three as a go-to guy, leading team scorer. He can't shoot threes consistently in the NBA but for college he was a good enough shooter by the end to be really dangerous.
I think Rodgers is probably a four-year college player, so if we can keep him that entire time I think he is really going to become a force eventually once he gets his shot figured out.
Not saying he is going to become as good as him, but Draymond Green was 2-17 as a Freshman and Sophomore for MSU, by his senior year he was shooting 38.8 % from three as a go-to guy, leading team scorer. He can't shoot threes consistently in the NBA but for college he was a good enough shooter by the end to be really dangerous.
Agreed it will probably tighten up come B10 season but the 7/8/9 guy will change nightly based on match up or if someone gets hot.
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Don’t think anyone expects him to be a “big contributor” but he needs to be a threat to score within 10 feet of basket.
For example both Hawkins and Rodgers both both had open 8 footers in the middle of the Syracuse zone. Hawkins took some shots and Rodgers seemed (or did) to want to kick the ball back out.
His offense will come. He will Get his playing time and continue to develop. many on here were expecting immediate contributor. I tempered my expectations
Ty may not be elite at any one particular skill but he is adequate at most. When one of our elite guys is unavailable, Ty can cover for about any of them.
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I wont believe it until i see it so let me know when I might be able to join you.. I am free all of next week. Thanks in a
Brad has joined the board. This forum just became elite
what was that description of Omar Payne? Elite lob catcher? That one cracked me up.
Woh idk thought Dain looked pretty darn good— phantom charge call aside. How many 5s in CBB could even make it to the rim?
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What's the record for number of replies in a 24 hour period on here? 22 pages in so far....
Dain has pretty decent handles for a 6'9 260 guy. That said I'd prefer he not do too much dribbling.
They said in the pregame that they might be the best backcourt in the country! Granted us illini know that when Marcus Carr plays against us that it can't be true! Still great job by our defense
Lol. Nice try
Their bench played more minutes than ours?
How can you forget “never nervous Ervin Small”. We don’t win the Louisville game in 1989 without him.
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Something to look forward to this season is the continued "gelling" of our players on O and D. A perfect preview of things to come was the missed connection between CHawk and Sky early in the game that later turned into a beautiful assist and layup by that same duo in the 2nd half. I get excited when I think about how these guys will continue to learn each other's tendencies in the half court offense, especially with the way our bigs can handle the ball. I'm sure that the mistakes on switches will be fewer as the season goes along. The point is, we have not reached our peak by any means and we are still competitive with the top teams. This team has ELITE 8 potential and I would be surprised by anything worse than that. (Threw that last sentence in there for the elite reference
If one takes the time and effort to look at the season stats, Rodgers is 4th on the team in assists...just one behind Epps (all ahead of him played significantly more minutes)....and 7th in rebounds. Both are admirable numbers. Also, he is fourth on the team in turnovers per minute played....only hundredths behind Mayer and Harris with Epps by far the best in that stat. Ty has skills, but putting the ball in the net is not currently a strength.
I think the Big Ten Tournament Semis and Finals give a better feel for our "true rotation" in 05. The Arizona and UNC games were more so "balls to the wall, go 100%, win or die trying, play everyone till they drop" in a similar situation, we'll see who our five are. The BTT Semis and Finals were still big games, and they never got out of hand.
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and here was a competitive OOC road game @ Arkansas at the same portion of the season as the game against Texas
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Illinois vs. Minnesota Box Score, March 12, 2005
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Illinois vs. Wisconsin Box Score, March 13, 2005 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Illinois vs. Wisconsin Box Score, March 13, 2005
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and here was a competitive OOC road game @ Arkansas at the same portion of the season as the game against Texas
Illinois vs. Arkansas Box Score (Men), December 4, 2004 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Illinois vs. Arkansas Box Score (Men), December 4, 2004
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