Illinois 89, Maryland 70 Postgame

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this is a good example of why I think it’s tough to evaluate players based on their pay. Any veteran guard we brought in, would have been “overpaid” contrary to what their role would actually be due to the emergence of Wagler.

Agree with Indy, I’d love a bigger senior guard dog defensively off the bench. But even they wouldn’t play that much, and when Brock Harding is going for over a million bucks, idk how many players fit that bill.
In hindsight, knowing what we know about Keaton, I think a good potential petrovic replacement could've been Adam Miller. Just in terms of what would fit THIS team right now.

But, there must have been complications with his camp and $$.
 
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Some reason lol. I say this as someone who doesnt criticize players very often but the dude absolutely does not care about playing defense or as part of a team. He's completely out in left field mentally most of the time to the point where he doesn't even know who he is supposed to be covering let alone knowing a scouting report. Why would you trust that guy on the court?
I mean Rio Grande and UConn were the only games where he got any run to get into a rhythm.

He wasn't good against UConn but looked good against and admittedly bad Rio Grand team.

He might not be any good but I also don't think he's played enough to say one way or another. Pass first point guards typically need to play to get into a rhythm, feel their way into a game, and make an impact. I don't think any of us can really fairly evaluate him when he's only playing 4ish minutes a game.

I think it's pretty clear that Brad is pushing the narrative that Petrovic sucks considering Werner tweeted negative comments about him but I genuinely don't think we've seen enough him to decide.
 
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I think it was referring to points. 1 flagrant is two free throws and the ball, a potential 4 or 5 point swing.
2 techs = 4 fouls.

This was the quote, how do you get points out of that? No where was points mentioned. It is crazy how some people read something entirely different than what was printed on the page?
 
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Is it possible that Petro was the first favor Brad did for that agent?
 
#231      
We as in us. Brad certainly knows who he is and doesn't need 25 minutes of game time to see it.

But during the Maryland game you could see him miss a rotation and they buried a 3. That'll kill you if you do it for 25 minutes no matter who you play.
Agreed, and to go with in game performance, Brad sees him in practice every day, so he knows what he has with him at this point of the season.
 
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Why are we going on and on about Petrovic?!?
Because our nominal point guard who has played the most minutes on the team is now hurt and needs replacing, and we have a 23 year old veteran professional basketball player at that position who we spent a ton of NIL on.

I'd like to keep playing the same lineup that has brought us our recent success, but sadly we can't, at least not for the next month.
 
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It’s hard for me to buy the “they see them in practice.”

They saw a first rounder in practice with Podz.
Heck, just last year alone:

They saw Tre White in practice and he gets benched, he’s shooting 3s at a high clip this year

They saw DGL for years and he is excelling at UNLV with the ball in his hands

They saw Morez and apparently he couldn’t shoot and not foul out, but is doing well getting more minutes in a big heavy lineup

They saw Carey Booth in practice as well. He played decent minutes at ND and sat here. He is now getting more minutes at Co State and is even productive than he was at ND. I didn’t think the kid could walk and chew gum in an Illinois uniform. I seriously thought he was special and was here bc of who his father is.
You can have the greatest skill set and not play, if you refuse to play the style of play of the system. People assume it’s a misjudgment, or can’t evaluate talent, but it’s more the refusal to adapt to the team game plan. If podz took away from the team dynamic, idk. But Tre White definitely was more a, give me the ball and let me work, type of player. Go and rewatch when he’d get benched. He may be a natural scorer and play maker, but BU expects you to play his style and play defense

I don’t think anyone is arguing that these players have skills. But it’s about the team dynamic too.
 
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Because our nominal point guard who has played the most minutes on the team is now hurt and needs replacing, and we have a 23 year old veteran professional basketball player at that position who we spent a ton of NIL on.

I'd like to keep playing the same lineup that has brought us our recent success, but sadly we can't, at least not for the next month.
Every game is different, but defense is essential. Can we hide Petrovic on the defensive end? I think it's somewhat doable, but I don't see the need to, unless our offense starts tanking. Seeing what AS did defensively, and what Jake did offensively, granted in a very small sample size, it appears we can "keep playing the same lineup." If an adjustment needs to be made, it sounds like it's a player mentality adjustment first, and then a team lineup adjustment if warranted.
 
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Because our nominal point guard who has played the most minutes on the team is now hurt and needs replacing, and we have a 23 year old veteran professional basketball player at that position who we spent a ton of NIL on.

I'd like to keep playing the same lineup that has brought us our recent success, but sadly we can't, at least not for the next month.
It’s worth noting that Boswell isn’t our primary point, Keaton is.

And because Petrovic would be completely useless off the ball, since he can’t shoot or play defense, every minute he’s in the game is a minute Keaton doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

Which makes our offense slightly worse and our defense a lot worse.
 
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It’s worth noting that Boswell isn’t our primary point, Keaton is.

And because Petrovic would be completely useless off the ball, since he can’t shoot or play defense, every minute he’s in the game is a minute Keaton doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

Which makes our offense slightly worse and our defense a lot worse.
ALL OF THIS 💯
 
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Every game is different, but defense is essential. Can we hide Petrovic on the defensive end? I think it's somewhat doable, but I don't see the need to, unless our offense starts tanking. Seeing what AS did defensively, and what Jake did offensively, granted in a very small sample size, it appears we can "keep playing the same lineup." If an adjustment needs to be made, it sounds like it's a player mentality adjustment first, and then a team lineup adjustment if warranted.

Not sure I agree, especially against the better teams in the conference. A weak link against Michigan, Purdue, MSU is going to cost you more than a couple buckets. You stress your best defenders and they miss a play they otherwise would recover, and then of course, there's the direct times a defender is beat.

I'm not expecting to see Petrovic for more than a few minutes to switch up the offense unless he gets much better on defense. Think he'll have to take full advantage of limited minutes before he'll move up on the depth chart.
 
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My man Indy, I would like to see more of Lee in the rotation right along with you as I would like to see more Petro. I know there are only so many minutes to go around, but certain matchups could definitely see a few more tossed his way especially if they’re not going to play Petro.

You and others are correct about Petro’s effort on D and maybe getting it right in the couple of minutes he gets more often than not getting it right. However, Mirk getting upset like he did shouldn’t happen. That’s bad body language as well and not being a good teammate. He also misses a lot of assignments on D. In fact far too often our entire Defensive execution (don’t get me started on scheme) is atrocious.
Everyone always wants to see so-and-so get more minutes.

So who is playing less? If you play Petrovic and Lee... you're sitting Wagler more?
 
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Everyone likes to hammer on Petros defense which I have been somewhat disappointed with also. So it's ironic that he never saw the floor in one of our worst defensive efforts of the year vs Nebraska. We gave up wide open 3 after 3 and had no resistance to anybody getting in the lane. It was a very lackluster effort by our team as a whole that he had nothing to do with but ya he's not helping himself with his defensive play so far.
 
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I see it like this. When we recruited Petro our coaches thought they found a euro version of Braden Smith. A good match to play along side Boswell sharing pg duties. I was excited at the possibilities. Wagler was probably thought to be a spot substitute giving rest to the starters preparing him for next year. Then Petro finally arrives but can't practice because of an injury. As a result Wagler was getting more time in practice with the starters and showing he could handle it. By the time Petro was able to play Wagler had proved himself as top notch point gaurd and key part of our offense who also played defense surprisingly well. When Petro was finally able to play and get some time he was hit or miss but mostly miss. In the meantime Jake had established himself as the top sub for the 2-3 slot and Ben was already slated at the 3-4. That combined with Petros erratic play on both sides of the ball and not being a good 3 point shooter he has pretty much relegated himself to spot minutes here and there. It doesn't help that everytime he gets bumped or fouled and doesn't get a call he takes off the next play on defense. I see the same thing in Mirk a little bit but he doesn't let it affect his play on the other end of the floor.
 
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2 techs = 4 fouls.

This was the quote, how do you get points out of that? No where was points mentioned. It is crazy how some people read something entirely different than what was printed on the page?
If you can’t figure out what I was trying to say i don’t know what to tell you.
 
#244      
I am pretty sure no one would know what you’re trying to say? Your interpretation of his post is simply not based in anything besides what you for some reason concocted in your brain. Try some reading comprehension it will help
 
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