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Illinois Football Recruiting Thread
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Joel Goodson
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yeah, Underwood never hits on backup plans
Not really Illini, but I found this recruiting factoid freakin amazing. Coach prime 2023 signing 19, plus 2 commits, plus 50, yes FIFTY transfers. That has to be a record by a mile.
DJRichardson4threee
IlliniGator2011
- Chicago, IL
Don’t get me wrong, I consider myself the eternal optimist, but can someone explain all the hoopla about all these commitments? I looked at the 247 conference recruiting rankings, and we’re currently 11th in the big ten. I know we’ve had a bunch of underrated recruits become draft picks, so rankings aren’t everything, but what’s all the excitement all about???
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
They have something like 12 returning players. Not starters. Players.
we are winning a good amount of recruitments against P5 competition. Not all, but most of our commitments thus far have pretty good offer lists. Also the few that don't have other P5 offers committed early and quite possible could have earned better offers (ie Orr/Hansen.)
Don't look at the rankings so much since they factor in number of commitments and we likely wont take a huge class this year. Look at average rating of the recruit and their offer lists.
For a long time we were going up against MAC schools or maybe G5 schools for recruits and the average rating was always towards the absolute bottom of the B1G. Now we're going against Wisky, Iowa, MSU, etc.
I was hoping for even more of an improvement over last year's class (which is still possible if some things fall our way), since the '23 class was really, really solid, but we are on the right track and those that are ecstatic are not crazy.
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There's still a long way to go in the recruiting cycle, but currently we have 7 consensus top 1000 players committed including 2 in Griffin and Tuerk that are right on the cusp of being 4 stars. And some of these recruiting wins have been over other high major schools. Basically this has the makings of our best recruiting class in about 15 years. Again, long way to go, but a lot to be excited about
I am expecting Deon to get his a&* handed to him next season. However long term he might be successful. I think it will depend a lot on whether CO develops a competetive NIL program to go with Deon's flash.
Joel Goodson
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all the TEs?
DJRichardson4threee
IlliniGator2011
- Chicago, IL
Can you help me to understand this screenshot then? We have more commits than Minnesota and Iowa, but we’re still ranked below them, 11th in the conference if they rank teams by average recruit ranking. I still don’t understand.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
what are the odds they win 4 or more games ?
So not sure what year you took that from, but a few explanations.
Average recruit rating (86.47 for Illinois in that pic) is simply that, an average of composite rating of all the rated recruits of a team for that year. Note that some players will not have a composite rating in the system so they are excluded.
Overall rating though is a bit different. In as simple an explanation I can give as possible, basically each recruit you get is ordered from highest rating to lowest rating. Those players are then placed on what is called a gaussian distribution curve such that the top recruit you have is given the highest weight with each subsequent recruit getting weighted less than the first. So your best recruit, will count 100% to your overall rating while your worst recruit will count near 0%. This is to account for the likelihood of how that recruit will affect your team.
So a team who has more recruits will naturally have more overall points, however the quality of those recruits contributes greatly to your overall points, and your most talented recruits contribute the most.
Hope that helps explain things a little better. If you want to play around a little bit, click on Illinois 2024 commits, then on the right side of the screen you'll see a "more" button. Click on that and choose "class calculator ", then have some fun
Speaking of basketball. Could someone just summarize real basketball news here so I don't ever have to go on that thread again?
Joel Goodson
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it's a barf souffle
we are 39th nationally...
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Football rankings are more unreliable than basketball rankings. Especially outside of the top few hundred. Evaluators don’t even watch Junior/Senior year film.
Rankings are essentially given by offers the kid gets + the school he picks.
Rankings are essentially given by offers the kid gets + the school he picks.
I stopped checking that thread, we’re a football school now.
We’re currently tenth, and tenth if looking at average recruit, though I think pretty close to 8 if using average. Maybe not blowing it out of the water, but solid+ class so far with some nice recruiting battles won.
yeah the more commits a team has, the fewer points 247 "awards" a team for adding another recruit at the same position.
Example. DL1 is a .90 and worth 10 points. DL2 is a .88 and worth 8 points. DL3 is a .87 and worth 7 points, and DL4 is a .86 and worth 5 points.
Say DL1 and DL2 both commit to Illinois. 247 adds 10 points for DL1 and then 8-ish points for DL2. There's a cutoff point; I haven't gone in depth or ran the numbers, but at some point if DL3 commits to Illinois 247 will only add a fraction of the recruits base points.
So DL1 + DL2 might give Illinos about 18 points, but if DL3 and and DL4 also commit to us, the total points for those 4 players might only be 23. There's diminishing returns.
Also if a player is "unranked" they don't add any points.
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Thanks STL ---- best educational session I've ever had on this rather complex logarithm.
Illinois football is in good hands as long as BB keeps landing top 50 classes or better each season. All just a number where he can bring in his guys and sprinkle in players through the transfer portal for experience/need. Keep landing 3 and 4 star recruits while having consistent QB play. Excellent job so far....
Joel Goodson
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