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Illinois Football Recruiting Thread
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Fully agree. Just been seeing a fair amount of “rankings don’t matter” or similar type posts of late and just chose to reply to yours. Cuz they do “matter” in a sense. On the whole a class that is ranked 10 or 15 spots higher at the end of the cycle is probably fairly consistently better than its counterpart Rankings/ratings are also a recognizable “nomenclature” for people interested in recruiting. I liken them to wine descriptors such as bacon fat with Syrah or petrol with Riesling. While I don’t necessarily think they smell exactly like that, if someone describes a Cote Rotie as having bacon fat on the nose, I know exactly what they are smelling. For the record, love bacon fat nose on Syrahs, not a fan of petrol in Riesling nose
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Love those northern Rhones. Wish I could afford them.
illinidarrin
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I wasn't expecting that one.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
There’s two types of 5*’s. A 5* because he’s a 5* and a 5* because he chose to play at Texas.
There’s two types of 3*’s. A 3* start because he’s a 3* and a 3* because he chose to play at Illinois.
Recruiting rankings matter. But not as much as coach evaluations.
See Texas.
Wish I could too. Believe me no Guigal La Las in my cellar. But I do have a few “cheaper” N. Rhones.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Before this it was a lot of "we can tell he has serious recruiting juice" and he was keeping the program involved with solid recruits but they were likely long odd situations. This is different, big win for Charlie and the program. Just went on an official visit to Wisconsin, then comes to Illinois for his visit and commits. Another nice win over Wisconsin.
As I have stated before, I lean more towards other team offers than recruiting rankings and "trust the coaches".
Barna is a great example of a lower-ranked recruit where the general consensus is that college coaching staffs are higher on the player than the ranking sites. He has offers from Wisconsin, Kansas, Oklahoma, Washington State, and Purdue. Give me all of these kind of recruiting wins as possible.
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Think it has less to do with rankings don't matter and they trust BB with his track record of recruiting/developing players. BB has recruited around the same level during his entire collegiate career.
Big difference now is people are so high on recruiting rankings than they also should apply transfer rankings into the mix. One of the first things BB said would take time is building up the walk-on program to a higher standard and brought in a bunch of transfers to fill in holes. This will continue on a yearly basis with all the portal chaos. BB is great at building and filling in the loose holes.......
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I agree. But considering there are a very large number of recruits rated prior to committing anywhere, I think ratings are a useful tool. The guy who just committed was rated a 3* prior to committing. Now maybe he won’t get a bump he deserves at a later date because he signed with Illinois and there is nothing wrong with him being a 3* — I like the pick up. Again, they’re a tool and a currency that can be used to talk about recruiting/recruits that most interested people have a general idea what is meant. Not down on any of our recruits or on BB and staff because of the ratings of guys in class. I trust them, but I think an over arching statement like ratings don’t matter is is correct in the big picture.
Funny you mention Texas, Mack Brown’s classes were consistently overrated for the reason you say. Not sure if it is as bad now. One thing I find a bit funny is when a player from say Alabama hits the portal after barely sniffing the field for 2 years and he’s described as former 4* and ithus is automatically elevated to a prized transfer because of that rating and the college.
I get that and agree. I’m probably being a bit contrarian here.
I think it would be interesting to see his hit rate at Wisconsin and Arkansas (too early for Illinois probably) for recruits at multiple numerical ratings levels. Say .8200 to .8300., .8300 to .8400 and so on as well as those not rated — resulting in starters, all-conference, draft pick. I certainly believe BB is strong in player development, just would be interesting if numbers bear that out or people just remember the top story like Witherspoon — who, of course, BB didn’t recruit.
TentakilRex
- Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
ME here as well, and sad to hear that the crusher is no more. But yes, Bret's recruiting will make up for the loss, I do believe.
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I’ve been trying to tell y’all man … Charlie is that dude …
I don't disagree with anything just there are so many factors with all of this that can be thrown in. Unless I got paid to do it professionally than no thanks.lol
The X factor with those comparisons is Wisconsin and Arkansas were in decent stretches when he took them over. Alvarez left the keys to BB and he took off. Arkansas had a rough season(John L Smith) before BB but Petrino had them playing well until he got fired for off the field handlings. Our history is long but not very rich in the modern era. I don't expect championships, but I also don't see 2-10 seasons and fans checked out after the non-conference season anymore.
We all look at things differently. JMO but I don't see Witherspoon developing to the levels he showed under BB if Lovie and his staff were still around. I also think Lovie would have rode QB Sitkowski for the '22 season if he wasn't fired. The roster wasn't empty when BB took over but there were a ton of holes. I look at it as underperforming coaches will always have some talent in spots even if they are terrible in the Big 10 or major conference. Might speak more to the strength of conference/exposure than the coach if a lousy one.
Joel Goodson
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