Even after that....He allowed Mike Martz to hang Jay Cutler out to dry for two seasons. Then he gave the headset to Mike Tice for a year because..... well i still don't know why
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Even after that....He allowed Mike Martz to hang Jay Cutler out to dry for two seasons. Then he gave the headset to Mike Tice for a year because..... well i still don't know why
Totally disagree. That is like saying because you have balanced your checkbook, you understand what an actuary does. There is an enormous leap between HS and college coaching and pro coaching is light years beyond HS coaching on so many levels. The gulf between playing and coaching is even greater.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Also, true. I don't think Lovie should have been retained. The Bears weren't going anywhere. How many .500 seasons does a HC get?
Anywho, I'm tickled pink he's our coach.
SAME x1000
Kramer
- Des Moines, Iowa
It does seem very hard to believe because when I watch a game it seems I know what is basically going to be coming, especially when I watched Cubit's offense. I don't mean the actual play call but run/short pass. That is what I noticed in McGee's comments about disguising his plays with different personnel.
I've also wondered if sometimes they make it out more than it is. IDK, just comments and thoughts.
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The answer is, "Jeff Fisher".
I don't think anyone has offered as an explanation to their complaints about the Cubits calling plays, that it was always entirely up to Lunt to run whatever he wanted. Witness the repeated fade patterns to the corner of the end zone trying to get a score against Nebraska. Same throw multiple times. I cast a good portion of the blame upon Lunt.
This spring and summer I am hopeful that George gets a decent shot at it.
icengineer
- Southern Illinois
So you are saying that Lunt repeatedly refused to run the plays he was told to run? I don't buy it. I don't think he is good enough to warrant that much freedom as the QB.
Yeah, it was Lunt's idea to bring in Crouch on a 4th and 1 from within FG range and run a QB draw out of the shotgun when everyone in the stadium knew he was going to keep the ball.
That play, more so than the Allison pass against Iowa, still drive me crazy to think about. Cubit was a God-awful play caller.
That play, more so than the Allison pass against Iowa, still drive me crazy to think about. Cubit was a God-awful play caller.
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Agree to disagree, I guess. I don't think your analogy is particularly accurate. Football is a pretty simple game, with a lot of little wrinkles. Strategy matters, but it's still just coaches putting guys in a position to attempt to execute that strategy. And usually, it's the coach who has the better guys to put in that position that win the games. All the most geniusy of genius film breakdown and tendency recognizance in the world is only as good as your players' ability to understand and execute it.
As an example, Tim Beckman managed to find a way to win 6 games in one season as the coach of Illinois. Therefore, I steadfastly refuse to believe that 2016 college football strategy is somehow on the same plane of actuarial science, or nuclear physics or military/economic game theory. As he'd probably tell you, this isn't rocket surgery.
BZuppke
- Plainfield
Or when on a crucial 3rd and 1 and Wisky has 8 men in the box and I say out loud - please don't run our freshman back straight up the gut but we do anyhow and get stuffed. I don't know what kind of deep analysis and number crunching led to that.
Nah, he is just saying that he hates Lunt. :thumb:
I was under the impression that Lunt went to the line with a called play and a check down play based on how many players showed in the box...But the check was more of a run/pass check.
Cubit acknowledged Lunt was changing the play, in fact his offense was solely based on making calls at the line based on what the defense was showing. Cubit came out multiple times and said Lunt was making the right reads and calling the appropriate plays. Someone let me know if I'm way off base.
I dont think we will see much of this from the new staff....To establish the run you cant keep checking to a pass play.
orangeswarm76
- hastings Nebraska
Word on the street is we have a new S&C coach ? No inside info here , was wondering if anyone else has heard this.
orangeswarm76
- hastings Nebraska
Was asking if anything was official or for sure I saw that post you referred to, but nothing lately.
Good post good points.
Add another example: Mike Sherman. Super Bowl winning coach, successful at tamu. Goes to a high school in Mass and goes 1-10 or something similarly low.
Does that mean the high school coaches know more than him? Rhetorical of course. Doesn't matter if have Vince Lombardi, or Walsh from SF or any other genius coach. Look at Chip Kelly at Oregon v. Philly. If you don't have the Jmmys and the Joes, the X's and O's are easily nullified.
Strategy does matter, and can make a difference, but you need the players to execute the game plan.
Much more likely that Fitzgerald or Peters gets a decent shot. But about 99% it will be Lunt.
This I agree with. My example comparison was obviously hyperbole to make a point.
My example to prove my point is Jerry Faust at Notre Dame. He was the best High School coach of his time and he was pretty much a failure at Notre Dame, even having all of the Jimmy's and the Joe's. He had great players to begin with and recruited great players.
Having a good coach is an element in taking whatever you had and making it better. Creating a sustainable winning team is not simple. It takes a lot of different elements working together. Fans always want A reason. They can't or don't want to look at the complexity of the situation, but it is complex. JMO
Mcgee must've wanted to coach and learn under pretty bad.
The draw of Lovie is amazing to say the least.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2016-03-25/cost-doing-business.html
The draw of Lovie is amazing to say the least.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2016-03-25/cost-doing-business.html
DReq
Always Illini
- Central Illinois
Two positions posted now for associate and assistant S&C coaches for football. Did we have those before? I always hear about the S&C and assumed he had some staff but just don't recall talk of assistants. I'm sure one of you knows the scoop on that.
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illinifan87
- The Windy City
Lovie is going to be a fantastic recruiter and his staff hirings show why. He knows how to build personal relationships that last a long time and he knows how to sell a vision.
Coaches want to coach for him and players want to play for him. He has a magnetic personality and it's genuine. He's a really good guy.
I had my issues with him as the Bears Head Coach but if there are any questions about his ability to recruit, he'll put those to bed quickly.
Salaries are out:
Garrick McGee- $650,000(!!!)
Hardy Nickerson- $550,000
Mike Phair- $440,000
Luke Butkus- $325,000
Bob Ligashesky- $300,000
Paul Williams- $285,000
Andrew Hayes-Stoker- $265,000
Tim McGarigle- $215,000
Thad Ward- $215,000
TOTAL- $3,245,000
Leaves nearly 7.5M left for incentives, support staff, and S&C.
Garrick McGee- $650,000(!!!)
Hardy Nickerson- $550,000
Mike Phair- $440,000
Luke Butkus- $325,000
Bob Ligashesky- $300,000
Paul Williams- $285,000
Andrew Hayes-Stoker- $265,000
Tim McGarigle- $215,000
Thad Ward- $215,000
TOTAL- $3,245,000
Leaves nearly 7.5M left for incentives, support staff, and S&C.
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The McGee number shocks me. I know he's close with Lovie. But I have to guess another angle for him is to make more of a name for himself and get back into the HC candidate discussion again even if it means taking a pay cut in the interim. Harder to do that under Patrino because nobody gives you the credit when the offense produces; and harder to do that at Oklahoma because there isn't much room for dramatic improvement. There's lots of room to get better here and Lovie is hands-off with the offense. If we go from S&P 90-something to 30-something, people will take notice of what McGee is doing.
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