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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April-June 2016)
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sacraig
- The desert
I'm not caught up in the TJL not rated/ranked as high as Moore. When I see TJL I see a solidly built college PG, in the mold of Kiwane Garris. TJL appears to have a true PG game (passing, defending, shooting, team mangement). I think Moore is more the scorer or streak shooter. For those that say 1-2 inches doesn't make a difference, I say look at how both are built.
If Moore has a Yogi Ferrel or Tyler Ulis type game then I'm in. But I'm not yet seeing it.
If Moore has a Yogi Ferrel or Tyler Ulis type game then I'm in. But I'm not yet seeing it.
Moore is more of a Ryan Boatright type. Can run the point, but is better suited as the shooting guard
Moore is a true point guard, and fared much better this year running the point compared to last year as a shooting guard. He's a scorer, but that doesn't make him less of a point guard, it just makes him more dangerous.
Jkat00
- Champaign, IL
No.
I still believe Tilmon could come here.
In regards to Culver, if Diallo didn't play a lick, how much would Culver play. In any case, we will end up with some bigs and more than likely, the staff will offer a few more this summer. Don't forget about Kiir and Theo John. I like those two as well.
I'm with you. I totally get the hype. That quickness, tight handle and aggressive scorers mentality are praiseworthy. I can see why he's accomplished what he has thus far. As for TJL, he has a pretty high ceiling. The true PG game is there, the defense is there, and he is younger than his peers. Give him a couple years under fletcher and he'll be a rock solid stud.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
That's a pretty absolute statement. Sure you can make a pretty good case for Goodwin, but other than that no one else comes close. And there isn't much separating Moore and Goodwin IMO (having watched them both play numerous times). Moore averaged 28 points, 7 assists and 5 steals last season on a top 5 team in the state.
Goodwin>Moore and I don't think that's close IMO. I suppose I take that back as far as best players in the state right now even though I think those stats can be inflated. I realize this is a different argument(maybe more of what I was trying to imply) but as far as whose game is going to translate better at the next level, I'd take Goodwin, Tilmon, Damonte, Justin Smith, Rako, Eastern, and some others over Moore. That's just me though. I'm not on the Charlie Moore train.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
I respect that point of view. Although I was not including Tilmon as an in-state player. You can certainly make an argument for Da'Monte, Smith, and Eastern as better college prospects, but not at better HS players to this point in their careers.
I will bet a 3 recruit parlay that we finished second for all three
I'm predicting we get two of them. Two out of three ain't bad.
According to his list...statistically the odds are 1 in 8.
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IllinoisFan733
- Chicago
Two out of three, and everybody here should be ecstatic. :thumb:
I hope this is sarcasm and my meter is off...
I don't have any pipe dream of landing all 3 or anything, but this kind of negativity is what is driving me nuts about this program.
Granted we need to win to get future recruits. Maybe we can without these guys and maybe we can't. But wagering money on striking out on recruits as a fan-base, you might as well be asking for Groce to be axed.
I, for one, think we have a good chance still. Official visits and recruiting hype are exhilarating to these kids. Let them enjoy it. I would even if I knew where I wanted to go before those sweet trips to fun university campuses!
Only if he is picking a name out of a hat!
Captain Bubbles
- Fairfield, IL
Just a couple of thoughts here:So Moore's top 8 are:
Cal, Illinois, Georgia Tech, LSU, Miami, SMU, UNLV and Western Kentucky
What's odd about that list is that it is ALMOST in alphabetical order - except for us. I think that he is giving us a clue!
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1) For Illinois to be the only Big Ten school to be on Moore's eight school list is positive news. Rewind back to the day after he de-committed from Memphis for a moment. I remember seeing the tweets in my Twitter feed that Northwestern contacted him, followed by Wisconsin and other schools. Yet, Illinois didn't contact him immediately until sometime later on. For any school to be mentioned on a recruit's top list, I'd be excited as a fan. Illini fans have a right to be excited.
2) Moore's recruitment kinda reminds me of Leron Black's. Remember, Black committed to Baylor, but then de-committed from the school because he jumped the gun too early and resumed his search until he committed to another school: Illinois. It's an entirely different situation for Moore due to Pastner's coaching change, but don't rule out the possibility that Moore could pick a different school. Perhaps he'll follow Pastner, or maybe the re-opening of his recruitment gives him a different perspective into the recruiting process.
Like those on here and elsewhere in Illini land, I would like to see Moore come to Illinois. It would be great to have him.
clearly you have not been spending much time here. The feathers are gone the tar is going cold and the whole JFG thing has a new emphasis when spoken aloud. Despite it being spring here it is only winter. I am going back to bed.
illini39
- Barrington, IL
I agree the program is in a bad place right now. Groce doesn't have the benefit of being a new coach coming in with a success story to sell. But this is a program with some history and whether Groce is a good coach with great players is still to be determined. But I am glad it is him on the recruiting trail verses many of you on this board who have been ultra negative. We need him out there doing what he is doing and hopefully he gets a pay off with a couple commits. I truly believe he is not as bad a coach as he's shown lately or as good a coach as he appeared to be when he came in. But I remember many saying the same things about Henson and for that matter other head coaches who turned things around with better players and turned out great. I think we can do without all the negativity that's spewed relentlessly everyday. Everyone wants to be the guy that can say I told you so that he sucks and won't be successful but let's see how this 2017 class pans out before we put Groce in his grave. It's not the program it's the perception and perceptions can be changed. Again, this has been done many time before in many places. We are not unique and destined to basketball hell forever.
+1. Everyone wants this to be a home run class and I think the window is still open for that. Time will tell. I'm looking at Groce's recruiting trend and I think he's coming around in some ways. After going through all the lows we have the past couple years, I trust that he's identified what it takes to be competitive in the BIG10. With guys like DJW, AJ and Damonte & Pickett coming aboard and offers to guys like Terrance Lewis, Theo John, Amiir etc. you can tell he's trying to make this roster longer and more athletic. He's trying his best and it's only a matter of time before he gets the guys he wants.
IlliniDent
- Chicago, IL
Whatever would give you the idea that that's something people want?
It just gets annoying when every post has that air to it. If you don't like Groce that is fine, and he honestly deserves a lot of the criticism. That being said, if every post has "Fire Groce" either subtly in the context or obviously said, it just gets counterproductive and actually pretty of annoying. We know he has an extra year now, so move on until something new happens and we can assess whether he fails this year or turns the corner. Until then it's just beating a dead horse. Might as well cheer for the guy to do well since we are stuck with him and it would be far better for him to turn the corner and the team to get quality recruits and win than it would be for him to lose and do poorly.
Once again this is a recruiting thread, there is a "coaching carousal" thread already. Just last year there were numerous articles touting Groce ability to get top notch out of state recruits on campus. Also landing JCL to Illinois from Indiana. The loss of Abrams, Thorne, Black, and Paul led to losses and the perception that Groce can't recruit.
The truth lies closer to better recruiter than Weber and Krueger and not as good as Self. Not as good as Lou Henson during the 80's but better than Lou in the 90's.
The truth lies closer to better recruiter than Weber and Krueger and not as good as Self. Not as good as Lou Henson during the 80's but better than Lou in the 90's.
Let's not let our concern that our coach has not performed in his 4 years be the reason for his demise. Every comment about him being fired is another nail in his coffin if it effects the perception of the recruits. We need to totally support his effort right now. i personally hope for the best. Tilmon and Goodwin topping off this class will immediately change the perception as fast as Lovie did in football. Lets make it happen! Ouyr support of the program is imparative now.
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