Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April-June 2016)
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OrangeDeeLight
- Champaign Area
Seems like this kid is WAY better than Tilmon even though his rankings have him barely in the top 100 on most sites I have seen?
Why are we not talking about him? Only school interest I have seen on his profiles besides us is Louisville. What am I missing?
Class balance shouldn't be a factor?
It's not good for the long-term health of your program (assuming we can get there over the next 2-3 years) if you're set up to need to replace half of your roster after any single graduation.
I watched 5 of Charlie Moore's games last summer and here's what I think (for whatever it's worth)
-Against elite AAU competition, he frequently looked like the best player on the floor.
-He's an attacking point guard who looks to score, but he's more than a willing passer. He creates offensive opportunities for his teammates by constantly putting pressure on the defense and forcing defenders out of position.
-Unlimited range as a shooter. He does have a habit of jacking up 28-footers occasionally. Shot selection is sometimes questionable, but it doesn't seem to reflect a BBIQ deficiency - it's more of an overconfidence thing. I think he knows they're not good shots. I don't see it being a problem at the next level.
-Outstanding ball handler
-Quick and athletic
-He is a dog. The kid is tough as nails.
Negatives:
-Potential defensive issues, especially if/when playing off the ball and matching up against physical players with length
-Needs the ball in his hands. I think he's likely a better player than TJL (although admittedly I've seen CM a lot more), but the arrangement would work best if CM was able to shift off the ball a fair amount and let Lucas play as a facilitator, and I don't know how well that will go. Could be fine, but Moore's junior year playing alongside Marcus Lovett raises some doubts. Moore looked like a mid-major shooting specialist at best. His senior year he looked like a top-50 player as the full-time PG.
Long story short: he ended up with a composite ranking of #66 in the country for a reason. I think he's still slightly underrated. He's going to be a stud. Hopefully at Illinois.
-Against elite AAU competition, he frequently looked like the best player on the floor.
-He's an attacking point guard who looks to score, but he's more than a willing passer. He creates offensive opportunities for his teammates by constantly putting pressure on the defense and forcing defenders out of position.
-Unlimited range as a shooter. He does have a habit of jacking up 28-footers occasionally. Shot selection is sometimes questionable, but it doesn't seem to reflect a BBIQ deficiency - it's more of an overconfidence thing. I think he knows they're not good shots. I don't see it being a problem at the next level.
-Outstanding ball handler
-Quick and athletic
-He is a dog. The kid is tough as nails.
Negatives:
-Potential defensive issues, especially if/when playing off the ball and matching up against physical players with length
-Needs the ball in his hands. I think he's likely a better player than TJL (although admittedly I've seen CM a lot more), but the arrangement would work best if CM was able to shift off the ball a fair amount and let Lucas play as a facilitator, and I don't know how well that will go. Could be fine, but Moore's junior year playing alongside Marcus Lovett raises some doubts. Moore looked like a mid-major shooting specialist at best. His senior year he looked like a top-50 player as the full-time PG.
Long story short: he ended up with a composite ranking of #66 in the country for a reason. I think he's still slightly underrated. He's going to be a stud. Hopefully at Illinois.
It's justified. Lots of people had those same concerns about the kid from Marian Catholic who must not be named.
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Also very raw and very thin. But I agree looks to have a lot of potential. Not sure why only us and Louisville have been in to see him and nobody has offered him, but there's probably some reason. Agile 6'9 kids usually have some offers by the time they're a junior/senior.
Agreed. Looks like he had about 200 blocks in that video. It I'd like to see more offensive post play but he looks athletic and aggressive.
OrangeDeeLight
- Champaign Area
Looks like he handles the ball extremely well for a big guy. And passes well too. :thumb:
We should make this kid our top priority big right now. Take him and Tilmon. Or if we could only have one I think I would take Kiir. Of course, only after reviewing a few more videos.
Dan
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Illinois becomes the latest to offer 2017 Dillard forward Raiquan Gray. Cincinnati offered yesterday
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/725100201053179904
https://twitter.com/Tgray4/status/725096904430878726
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https://twitter.com/Tgray4/status/725096904430878726
Sign me alll the way up for this kid very very impressive.
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The offers for big men keep going out, but no true centers. Maybe that means good things in regards to Tilmon?
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
What an interesting comment.
I don't even think I'll ask, but just wait and see if something comes along to make the point more strongly
Bubba Eder
- Northeast Missouri
I was going to post the very same thing, we have said this about many different players over the years and often they have given us fits for four years.
Getting Moore would be great. I remember when Groce first took the job he said he liked having two PG on the court at the same time. Maybe he will finally get that opportunity.
Kiir looks like the type of big man Illinois needs. I would be very happy getting 2 out of 3 from Tilmon, Kiir, or Theo John. Tilmon is a legitimate big with developing moves. Kiir is the athletic quick leaper who is highly coordianted and will likely top out at 6-10. Theo John is a James Augustine type player who will be a solid 4 year player.
I don't think we need another pick and pop 4 who can't defend the interior or rebound. I do like Finke though, but he is bulking up.
Indiana seemed to have 2 or 3 athletic big men this year and they ate our lunch. In addition they have a super fast PG.
I don't think we need another pick and pop 4 who can't defend the interior or rebound. I do like Finke though, but he is bulking up.
Indiana seemed to have 2 or 3 athletic big men this year and they ate our lunch. In addition they have a super fast PG.
All these offers can't be legitimate or commitable. I would think the staff would have a priority list, but why offer if the recruit can't commit. Possibly have given higher priority recruits (Tilmon, Goodwin, Eastern) a timeline to commit. If that doesn't happen have to take another recruit. I believe Deron Williams committed in August or September, pretty late to Illinois. JCL also committed in early fall if I recall. So I guess Groce and staff still have about 4-5 months before panic sets in.
Illinidreamin
- Paris, IL.
I believe we NEED this guy. I believe he oozes talent and potential and he is a physical specimen now. You imagine after our S&C coach molds that for a year? YES PLEASE!!!.
I cannot imagine why he doesnt have higher offers. I really hope we can sow this recruit up in a hurry.
:thumb: Great post.
His tape isnt really anything impressive. Back up plan at best. Im guessing he is looking better on the circuit now? Maybe they caught him on a good day.
25+ 2017 offers. It's first come first serve, right??
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These kids don't fear competition generally. Everyone thought Ulis was going to Kentucky to get buried at the end of the bench, for example.
I don't think anyone is making the argument that going to a blue blood school is a guarantee against a dropping draft stock. That's a bit of a straw man.
Unfortunately as I mentioned in previous post, there is not much evidence to support the assertion that Illinois is the safest and fastest path to the NBA for McD AA players. Our best example, among many failures in the last 25+ years is Brian Cook, and it took Brian 4 years to end up at the end of round 1 in the draft. Not every McD AA will have success in the draft or in the NBA (especially after 1 year), but we can't point to UK and KU as failures, since they have historically had much more success putting McD AA in the NBA, even percentage wise. Actually this is a very strong point for Cal and Self. Not sure how you can call Skal Labissiere, Isaiah Briscoe, Braggs, Cheick Diallo etc failures after 1 year.
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=1211048&postcount=1071
With 25 Offers can't imagine they are first come first serve. Especially with 6 to 7 months before the November Official signing day. I could see T Lewis, Goodwin, Eastern, Tilmon, John, and a couple of other bigs (Kiir) being commitable.
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