Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)

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Peach Jam pool play has tipped off. As usual, they're having trouble with feeds from some of the courts, but Howard Pulley should be on court 4 when they get that straightened out. Eagles should be on court 2 at 6:00. Meanstreets on court 2 at 7:30. Courts 2 and 3 4:30 games working fine right now.
 
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Peach Jam pool play has tipped off. As usual, they're having trouble with feeds from some of the courts, but Howard Pulley should be on court 4 when they get that straightened out. Eagles should be on court 2 at 6:00. Meanstreets on court 2 at 7:30. Courts 2 and 3 4:30 games working fine right now.


So is Trent Frazier on a roster somewhere this month?
Want to see how he does.
 
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Theo John 2 pts, 2 rbs, 2 a, 2 blk, 2 to in HP 68-55 win over Las Vegas Prospects.
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Eagles warming up for their game on court 2. MOKAN is on court 4 but they never got court 4 going for the Howard Pulley game so good luck with that I guess.
 
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Goodwin with a steal on the inbounds, feeds Finke for a 2 handed dunk; a second later, Goodwin steals the inbound and goes in for a layup. Wouldn't mind seeing that over and over in O&B for a few years.
 
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I'm watching the Eagles right now. Good lord, we need Goodwin! He's going to be an NBA player just based on motor, basketball IQ, and a pathological inability to lose. He's Draymond Green in Marcus Smart's body. I'll write more thoughts later tonight. Also, Darius Garland and Tim Finke are nice.
 
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Groce getting some face time on the Peach Jam feed.
And Mitchell Robinson is going to go through Conference USA like Wilt Chamberlain. No Tilmon (not sure where the EYBL people got that he was going to play at PJ) and Eagles could use him. Their 2 big men were obviously meant to give Jeremiah some blow time, not play against a top 15 center. Eagles lead 32-28 at half.
Agree with everything Greg said. We need Goodwin badly.
 
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Every time I hear a description of this kid's game I think of Quinn Buckner. Is that a stretch? I'm an old(er) guy.

I'm also an old(er) guy and yes, not a stretch. He's that good and a good comp.
 
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Eagles come from behind to win by 4. MS on court 1 against Indy Speice. Tyger and Tugs. (And 'Zo.)
 
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Eagles win 69-65. They had no one who could come close to stopping Mitchell Robinson (or, for that matter, the other big on Pro Skills...Royce Hamm?), but Goodwin beasted out and Garland, Finke, and Reggie Crawford can all really shoot it.
 
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Watching Meanstreets right now. They're super fun to watch. Bowen is awesome: high-energy and very athletic. Eastern is blindingly fast in the open court and a really gifted passer. Gilyard is extremely quick and always out of control. Verge is his usual mesmerizing blend of hustle, highlight reel plays, and wild turnovers. It's an ultra fast, manic brand of basketball.
 
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Watching Meanstreets right now. They're super fun to watch. Bowen is awesome: high-energy and very athletic. Eastern is blindingly fast in the open court and a really gifted passer. Gilyard is extremely quick and always out of control. Verge is his usual mesmerizing blend of hustle, highlight reel plays, and wild turnovers. It's an ultra fast, manic brand of basketball.

lol. I know I go on too much about Verge but he is just so much fun to watch. Whole team is as you point out. And yeah, Gilyard is just always ahead of himself. Great team to follow! Up by 1 right now.

ps - and I swear every time Gilyard sees the basket with the ball in his hands he must think he's morphed into a 7 footer. He heads straight toward the big guys.
 
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Offer list? That argument drives me bonkers. I can give you a list of guys playing in the NBA, some of whom are all stars, who didn't have a "wow" offer list. Damian Lillard was a 2 star per Rivals and the number 48 point guard according to ESPN. Steph Curry was a 3 star according to Rivals and was only offered a walk on spot to his father's alma mater before going to Davidson. Gordon Hayward was outside the top 150 with his top offer being from Purdue. Elfrid Payton was a 2 star and went to Louisiana-Layfette before declaring early. I can continue, if need be.

Yes, it's very easy to identify them now. The problem is doing it when they are still in high school. If you can regularly find the future NBA 2/3 stars prior to the end of their prep careers, you could make some big money.
 
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[FONT=&quot]MeanStreets (IL) G Alonzo Verge: 12 PTS, 5 AST, 4 REB in a win over Spiece @nikemeanstreets http://www.d1circuit.com/game/show/14464668?subseason=313335 …[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]MeanStreets (IL) G Brian Bowen (@20Tugs): 19 PTS, 6 REB, 5 AST in a win over Spiece @nikemeanstreets http://www.d1circuit.com/game/show/14464668?subseason=313335 …[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Indy Heat (IN) F Jaren Jackson Jr: 11 PTS, 3 REB vs MeanStreets @indy_heat http://www.d1circuit.com/game/show/14464668?subseason=313335 …[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Indy Heat (IN) G Tyger Campbell (@tygercampbell15): 10 PTS, 5 REB, 4 AST vs MeanStreets @indy_heat http://www.d1circuit.com/game/show/14464668?subseason=313335 …[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Xavier Tillman 6 pts, 9 rbs Nojel Eastern 8 pts 4 rbs
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Nothing to do with Frazier, but not sure what the point is here. Chances that you will have success with 5* players are a lot higher than having success with 2*/3* players. There is absolutely no argument about that. The fact that some 2*/3* players have had success or that some 5* players did not, means little with regard to your overall chances to succeed.

Also, your list of 5* players who "didn't pan out" has major faults. You certainly confuse success in the NBA with college success. Donte Green was a 17.7 ppg / 7.2 rpg / 2 apg player in college as a freshman. Did not pan out? Wow, that is news to me. Paul Harris was a 12ppg / 8 rpg player during college. Scotty Hopson was a 17ppg player as a junior, and 13ppg in his career. Even BJ Mullens, who definitely left college too early (although as a 1st round NBA draft pick), was B1G All-Freshman team and earned the B1G Sixth Man of the Year award. According to your definition, Frankie Williams and Dee Brown (both 5* players) did not pan out either. We'd definitely take a Dee or a Frankie over 2*/3* players.

The original post that I was responding to was talking about Frazier and the discussion of whether or not he is/or will be any good. One poster stated, "His offer sheet says it all." This comment, to me, implies that if not a lot of other high major programs have offered, he must not be any good.

I used the NBA has the metric of success as its the ultimate goal for basketball players. However, since we are talking about a potential college recruit rather than an NBA prospect, there are still plenty of examples of prized recruits who underwhelmed in college. Michael Finke scored more points per game and out rebound guys named Skal Labisserre and Cheick Diallo. He also outscored Big Cliff as well. Those guys are more talented than Finke, but it certainly didn't translate to results.

Are 5 star guys generally more reliable in producing positive results? Of course. However, just because someone doesn't have an impressive offer sheet doesn't mean that they can't be good players or that a recruit's list of schools should be how we evaluate a player.
 
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Goodwin already picked up an offer from Alabama at Peach Jam. I have a feeling some other much bigger offers might be on their way before the week is over.
 
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Here are my thoughts on the Meanstreets vs. Spiece Indy Heat game:

Tyger Campbell: Heady floor general, but a little overrated. He's small, not excessively athletic, and has trouble finishing in traffic. Good looking shot, great feel for the game, but I think he'll be an average starter at the P5 level. I've seen him play numerous times, so I don't feel like I'm rushing to any conclusions.

Jaren Jackson: Going to be good, but not there yet. Disappears for stretches, doesn't like to bang. Really intriguing length and athleticism. Likes to play as a stretch-4, but needs to improve his consistency from the perimeter.

Tugs Bowen: Pure beast. High-motor, long, bouncy athlete with improving skills. Tremendous ceiling: you watch him and feel like he's just scratching the surface, even though he's already one of the most productive players in the country.

Evan Gilyard: I find everything about his game hilarious. He runs around like he's been shot out of a cannon. He fouls a ton, plays out of control, and is a big time ball hog. BUT, he plays with a lot of heart and has a knack for scoring and getting steals. He's the kind of kid who will average 17 pts, 5 reb, 5 ast, and 2 stl in the Horizon as an upperclassman and everyone will go, "man, we missed on Gilyard!" I was cracking up every time he should have obviously reversed the ball, but looked at Eastern or Verge, shook his head, dribbled for another 10 seconds and then smashed wildly into the teeth of the defense.

Nojel Eastern: Little bit of a rough game for Eastern, but he was more impressive than his stat line. He took a couple of awful shots, but otherwise looked good. Part of the problem is he's running with Gilyard, Verge, and Bowen, who are all ball-dominant players. Eastern, by contrast, is an extremely willing passer and consistently tries to set his teammates up for easy looks. The thing that stood out most is that he has developed into an electric athlete. He is really fast and twitchy, which wasn't the case early in his career. I think he's going to be a very good second or third option for a P5 team as a probable 3-year starter (soph - sr).

Alonzo Verge: Wicked crossovers, step-back threes, coast-to-coast layups, hustle plays galore...and unconscionable turnovers, ill-advised shots, and unnecessary showboating. He's a blast to watch. Still can't figure out how much of an impact he'll make at the college level, even after watching 6 of his full games between high school and AAU. If a coach gives him the keys and turns him loose, he'll put up numbers, no question. The problem is a lot of coaches won't put up with all negative/wild plays. Could he help Illinois? Yeah, I think so - probably as a scorer off the bench. I'm guessing he'll end up outside the B1G, though.
 
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Jordan Goodwin assessment: He's a monster. 29 pts, 10 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl against a team that was flat-out physically superior to the Eagles. Goodwin willed his team to victory. He's unbelievably intense. I've never seen perimeter defense that good in AAU ball, and then he switched onto Mitchell Robinson (#9 overall player and #1 Center in c/o 2017) in the post for long stretches in the second half and more or less neutralized him.

Goodwin is not an elite athlete, but he's above average. He's just an average outside shooter. For a so-so athlete with a so-so shot to dominate the way he does at every level is amazing. He's got an extremely high BBIQ, great passing ability, great body control, and the strength of a bull. He's like a freight train going to the hoop. I guarantee he will draw a ton of fouls at the college level. He's a terrific rebounder due to his strength, hustle, and the fact that his hands are basically catcher's mitts with vacuum cleaners in them.

He's a can't-miss college player. Will be all-conference as an upperclassman wherever he goes. If he keeps playing the way he has all EYBL season, he'll move into the top 40-45 range in the rankings. If he were 3 inches taller, a deadly outside shooter, or a little better athlete, he'd be a 5-star prospect without question.

Two sentence summary: Jordan Goodwin has the best motor I've ever seen at the high school level. He out-hustles every single player on every single play.
 
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