Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2017)

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A few questions for those that may know: Who would we rather have, Conditt or Castleton? Which one makes more of an immediate impact? Potential? What are we getting if we got either one? From what I can tell, Conditt is a project but oozes potential. Castleton is a little less of a project, a great spot of shooter, and fills a very specific role in Underwood's offense.

I think the staff likes what both bring, but prefer Castleton. I think Castelton makes more of an impact in the beginning, but Conditt has more potential. Castleton would fit right in and be essentially what you are going to see from Finke this year.
 
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Joel Goodson

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I think the staff likes what both bring, but prefer Castleton. I think Castelton makes more of an impact in the beginning, but Conditt has more potential. Castleton would fit right in and be essentially what you are going to see from Finke this year.

Agreed. This is a win-win, assuming we land one of them (which seems likely). The thing is, Conditt could completely blow up as a redshirt upperclassman (e.g. Kaminski). And, no, I'm not suggesting Conditt will be POY material. Just very intrigued by his potential and look out if he puts it together.
 
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I think the staff likes what both bring, but prefer Castleton. I think Castelton makes more of an impact in the beginning, but Conditt has more potential. Castleton would fit right in and be essentially what you are going to see from Finke this year.

Indy, doesn't Sow fit into this puzzle somewhere? Staff has seen him play an awful lot at both Peach Jam and Vegas.
 
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HC Illini

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When someone says a player is a lock, but there is no verbal, I'm a skeptic. Here's how I think about it:

If:
(a) the player knows for certain where he wants to go; and
(b) the player has support for that decision from his family, HS/AAU coaches, etc; and
(c) the recruiting coach welcomes a verbal

Then:
(d) the player will make a verbal, especially if it will enhance the recruitment of other players and/or end the stress of the recruiting process ; or
(e) no verbal indicates one of the premises is false.

In addition, if a player continues to take OVs, even though he has verballed, I assume (a) is false.

The best indication that a player might verbal, regardless of the odds, is if the coaches remain in active pursuit. Those who say Ayo is a lock must explain why he has not verballed. Those who say THT no longer has interest in our program, must explain why the coaches are still actively recruiting him.

It's simple. A lot of kids are advised to not publicly verbal until they can take some officials. I asked someone about this once and they said, mainly in regards to highly sought after recruits, "why would they"? They have the opportunity to go on free vacations, get free dinners, check out some cool football games, get free gear, hang out with kids they know or look up to, and go through the whole experience they've been working their whole lives for. Why would they give that up. That really made a lot of sense to me. I mean it's not like illinois is going to give away Ayo's spot to anyone at all.
 
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REALISTICALLY: Best guess: Who commits next?


Watch the visits play out, school gets started for many, that will be keeping them busy. From what I read or hear, no one has indicated any commitments, from ones we follow. We have been cut from some recruits lists , which is good because we can cut them off ours.

IMO it will be awhile for anyone, more offers going out to our focus recruits, and just keep collecting and liking on Twitter. Conditt or Castleton be my best guess. Watch visits, the reactions seem to give you leans. We are not hearing anything from staff , which is good. We are on a need to know basis. Hang in , good things are coming.;):illinois:
 
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A few questions for those that may know: Who would we rather have, Conditt or Castleton? Which one makes more of an immediate impact? Potential? What are we getting if we got either one? From what I can tell, Conditt is a project but oozes potential. Castleton is a little less of a project, a great spot of shooter, and fills a very specific role in Underwood's offense.

Like most young bigs, both need to put on size/strength. Conditt has further to go in that department, so Castleton makes a more immediate impact. I think Conditt does have more potential in terms of offensive skill-set. However, I wouldn't say Conditt definitively has more "overall" potential because Castleton is the better athlete & looks like he could be a stud defender. He patrols the paint & times blocks really well with that length.
 
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Castleton's YouTube video is pretty unimpressive in my opinion. However if you go to Hudl and look at his Jr year highlights, he's much more impressive.

I don't think he plays big time schools in high school, but he looks so much more athletic in the Hudl clip.

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Agreed. This is a win-win, assuming we land one of them (which seems likely). The thing is, Conditt could completely blow up as a redshirt upperclassman (e.g. Kaminski). And, no, I'm not suggesting Conditt will be POY material. Just very intrigued by his potential and look out if he puts it together.

I really like Conditt's passion and intensity. with BBF (Body by Fletch) impact....really exciting imagining the potential.
 
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Indy, doesn't Sow fit into this puzzle somewhere? Staff has seen him play an awful lot at both Peach Jam and Vegas.

The question was Conditt vs. Castleton, but regarding Sow, I think that Sow definitely is a great rebounder, and really works hard on both ends, but his final five of ILL, Virginia, Cal, Colorado, and USCB is pretty good, and makes for a tough sell on PT for us if we have Castleton or Conditt on board.
 
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REALISTICALLY: Best guess: Who commits next?

I think realistically Castleton/Conditt. The key will be if the staff can get Castleton to verbal on his OV before he heads to Xavier.

Xavier, FSU, and FGCU seem to be biggest competition for Castleton.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
I would like to announce that I am ending my recruitment and committing to Illinois!


Underwood: "You know......why don't we wait until we see your transcripts before we finalize the commitment"
 
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My Rankings of our big man prospects:

1. Castleton-Can shoot, pass, dribble, block shots and rebound; I don't know what more we could ask for in terms of fit

2. Sow-Blue collar big man who works hard and dominates the boards, plays his role to perfection, think rich man's Sam Mclaurin

3. Conditt-has a ton of potential and a great skillset for his size but I just can't get over that he's 6'11 and can barely dunk

All that said, I would take any of the three
 
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eMitch

Quincy, IL
When someone says a player is a lock, but there is no verbal, I'm a skeptic. Here's how I think about it:

If:
(a) the player knows for certain where he wants to go; and
(b) the player has support for that decision from his family, HS/AAU coaches, etc; and
(c) the recruiting coach welcomes a verbal

Then:
(d) the player will make a verbal, especially if it will enhance the recruitment of other players and/or end the stress of the recruiting process ; or
(e) no verbal indicates one of the premises is false.

In addition, if a player continues to take OVs, even though he has verballed, I assume (a) is false.

The best indication that a player might verbal, regardless of the odds, is if the coaches remain in active pursuit. Those who say Ayo is a lock must explain why he has not verballed. Those who say THT no longer has interest in our program, must explain why the coaches are still actively recruiting him.

Stress? I think I see a flaw in your logic.
 
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Underwood: "You know......why don't we wait until we see your transcripts before we finalize the commitment"

Are you sure? I'm pretty awesome.

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When someone says a player is a lock, but there is no verbal, I'm a skeptic. Here's how I think about it:

If:
(a) the player knows for certain where he wants to go; and
(b) the player has support for that decision from his family, HS/AAU coaches, etc; and
(c) the recruiting coach welcomes a verbal

Then:
(d) the player will make a verbal, especially if it will enhance the recruitment of other players and/or end the stress of the recruiting process ; or
(e) no verbal indicates one of the premises is false.

In addition, if a player continues to take OVs, even though he has verballed, I assume (a) is false.

The best indication that a player might verbal, regardless of the odds, is if the coaches remain in active pursuit. Those who say Ayo is a lock must explain why he has not verballed. Those who say THT no longer has interest in our program, must explain why the coaches are still actively recruiting him.

It's not that complicated. A recruit is not remotely close to a "lock" until he signs a LOI. And even then he needs to show up on campus eligible and ready to play.
 
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CAHALL15

Central Illinois
My Rankings of our big man prospects:

1. Castleton-Can shoot, pass, dribble, block shots and rebound; I don't know what more we could ask for in terms of fit

2. Sow-Blue collar big man who works hard and dominates the boards, plays his role to perfection, think rich man's Sam Mclaurin

3. Conditt-has a ton of potential and a great skillset for his size but I just can't get over that he's 6'11 and can barely dunk

All that said, I would take any of the three

I'm personally much higher on Conditt. What I see is a guy who is an Adam Fletcher program away from being a monster. Plus, I think he's on the younger side for his age group. I'm trying to find it, but if he's 17, his birthday was fairly recent.
 
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I'm personally much higher on Conditt. What I see is a guy who is an Adam Fletcher program away from being a monster. Plus, I think he's on the younger side for his age group. I'm trying to find it, but if he's 17, his birthday was fairly recent.
Conditt will never be big. He doesn't have that frame for it.

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james81

North Carolina
I found this comment from Henry in the Scout article about his visit to Illinois revealing:

All of the stuff they do with strength and conditioning is big. You can’t really fail there, with everything they have support wise you have no choice but to succeed.

My guess is BU places a big emphasis on player development and conditioning when he recruits. Positionless basketball, which is the trend in the NBA, requires tremendous stamina. Then when BU pulls out those before and after pics that Fletch takes, along with documented improvements in player strength and performance, that has got to make a positive impact on potential recruits, as it did on Henry. Add to that, the academic support program that gives us a strong graduation rate. What ties it all together, though, is that BU is recruiting to a system that has proven success everywhere he has coached. It's a strong recruiting message and that's one of the reason I am more hopeful this year.
 
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2018 F AARON HENRY TALKS FINAL FIVE Evan Flood — Contributing Editor - NY2LASPORTS.COM


Illinois: “The numbers Coach Underwood (Brad Underwood) put up at Oklahoma State are hard to say ‘no’ to. I can’t wait to see what Illinois does this year. I can definitely see myself in blue and orange.


Henry will unofficially visit Xavier on Aug. 20 and Ohio State on Aug. 27. He may narrow things down to a final three and then use officials before making a decision prior to his senior season.


http://ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=3908
 
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