Better than getting both Hinson and Jones IMO.
I would take that kid over the Hinson kid actually. Jones NO!
Better than getting both Hinson and Jones IMO.
From what I saw and read on this Hinson, I don't know that I'd lump him in as an exact Kipper clone.. plus I would also argue that some of the struggles that Kipper had on defense were a result of what was on top of his shoulders, rather than the height of them.
If a kid is 6'7 big bodied and at least semi athletic they should be able to guard most 4's IMO.. especially if you have someone somewhat competent at the 5
This is not terribly surprising, but comforting nonetheless. Smith had a bad season. Full stop. I feel bad for him, and I hope he does well at his next location. Full stop.From what I have heard on local talk shows, 'they' claim mizzery has no interest in Smith.
Kedric Prince
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Please allow me to share this, spoke with State Champion/All-Stater E.J. Liddell two weeks ago and Blake Hinson today, both players said paraphrasing: Like how the #illini used Leron Black at the 4 position. Brad Underwood allowed him to shoot, post and freedom to create.
I do not want to reverberate the same argument, but that is almost identical to the long argument I had with advocates of Kipper successfully playing the 4 in BU's "positionless" system. We all know how that ended.
Hinson is no PF, he is actually more in the THT mold and style of play than PF, including defense. He is SF.
Guess we might have to agree to disagree on this one. I just can't submit to the fact that a kid that is 6'7" 230 and athletic is not able to guard a normal 4 man in the college game. I will submit that he probably would also have the ability to guard most 3's.
For reference, Duncan Robinson and Vincent Edwards start at the 4 for the two B1G teams left standing. He guards either of those two.
With 31 points vs Iowa?
We will disagree. I do not base my opinion on height and weight and hypothetical height-weight comparisons with players on other teams but rather on actually watching some of these players play. I am probably one of the very few who has actually seen Hinson play, although about a year ago. The reason I remember the kid is because of how strong he was. He is not an inside player, he is actually an outside player, likes to shoot but most of his points come from driving to the basket and overpowering his opponents. He does not have PF skills-moves.
His style of play actually resembles more THT, although I think THT is a little quicker, Hinson is stronger. Both use strength as part of attacking the basket from the outside, driving towards the basket. Both SFs, independent of height. Jones is also a SF, but with a different type of game, more of a finesse player in his drives, versus strength.
I do not know where Illinois stands with either player's recruitment but I will be very surprised if they end up on the same team.
How "that" ended, with Illinois finishing their worst season in 20+ years, arguably (depending on perspective) their worst season in over 35-40 years. Frontcourt was a huge problem.
So are you someone who doesn't believe the coaches when they say that the 4 and the 3 do the same thing on our team, in this offense? The start at a different place, but then they all do the same things.
I will not argue that height and having true post players helps with rebounding and defense. It is also a huge plus if you have a guy who is tall that can also post up.
Defensively
Can we agree that if he can still score (even if he plays like a wing), and he can play good defense and rebound against other teams' 4s, that there is no problem if he plays the 4?
Offensively as well. The premise that we played great offense this year and our frontcourt did not have huge gaps on offense is simply not true. Our offense left a lot to be desired, ranked #140 on offensive efficiency, #87 in adjusted offensive efficiency. Not sure how people can say that we were really good or even adequate on offense.
Combined with defense, it was even worse. Furthermore, the skillset of players required to play in the frontcourt (and PF) goes for both offense and defense, you just can't play on one end of the flour.
Frontcourt is a huge, huge gap and remains one. We started the year with many arguments of how in our positionless basketball system we did not need real frontcourt players as 2-4 (some said 1-4) do the same thing. We were going to outsystem our opponents. Then that argument fell flat on its face with really bad results and there was an outcry of how much we really need frontcourt players with our recruiting (5th year bigs, etc.). Now that the well seems to be drying, we get back to hoping to "outsystem" our opponents with positionless basketball, expecting better results.
Also, I don’t understand your unwillingness to accept the idea that our offense is indeed positionless. The 4 guys on the outside literally do exactly the same thing. Doesn’t matter if you’re 5'10 or 6’10
so we need to recruit this kid named Syracuse Zone.Guess we might have to agree to disagree on this one. I just can't submit to the fact that a kid that is 6'7" 230 and athletic is not able to guard a normal 4 man in the college game. I will submit that he probably would also have the ability to guard most 3's.
For reference, Duncan Robinson and Vincent Edwards start at the 4 for the two B1G teams left standing. He guards either of those two.
Michigan St would be a definite outlier but who can really guard a combo of Bridges/Jackson/Ward/Schilling/Tillman
Correct answer: Syracuse zone
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It would strengthen the backcourt for sure, but would be weaker in the frontcourt (which was a big problem area this past season) if Black does not come back. IMO it is highly unlikely that we are getting both Hinson and Jones.
hmm, I am surprised this tidbit went by with no mention, especially considering the knowledgeable poster who mentioned it.
Hinson definitely looks like he is a college 4 man to me. Hope we get him. And Liddell.
Meyer with a CB for Ramey to Mizzo