Not to mention McLaurin's commitment to Illinois was quite memorable. He was a favorite of mine during his year at UI.
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Not to mention McLaurin's commitment to Illinois was quite memorable. He was a favorite of mine during his year at UI.
Yet, all of our 5th years were still role players, the difference is that some of those role players played their role pretty well and were critical supplementary elements (e.g. Sam McLaurin). Chances that we are able to attract the true difference makers non-role players in the 5th year market are pretty slim given the current state of the program.
Fifth year players, as well as "projects", should be opportunistic additions. If you depend on attracting the 5th year difference maker or multiple "projects" overachieving, that means your regular/primary recruiting has not worked.
Role players ≠ bad players
Role players ≠ useless players
Every team needs role players. Seems like many on this board expect 5th year transfers to come in and lead the team in scoring ie Alstork last year.
Outside of maybe Starks, I think every single 5th year listed above brought value to their team. Alstork was frustrating, but Frazier is quoted citing about his veteran presence and influence being key to his development. Thorne was *really* good before injuries ate him up.
If a 5th year is brought in, eats up some rotation minutes, and does nothing more out there than allow your defense to switch on the perimeter against a P&R - guess what - that's worth having.
Role players ≠ useless players
Every team needs role players. Seems like many on this board expect 5th year transfers to come in and lead the team in scoring ie Alstork last year.
Outside of maybe Starks, I think every single 5th year listed above brought value to their team. Alstork was frustrating, but Frazier is quoted citing about his veteran presence and influence being key to his development. Thorne was *really* good before injuries ate him up.
If a 5th year is brought in, eats up some rotation minutes, and does nothing more out there than allow your defense to switch on the perimeter against a P&R - guess what - that's worth having.
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Hope Caroline is now dropped from discussion, going anywhere but Nevada for him, didn't make sense. Still don't think BU is keen on 5th yr guy, but holding a schollie would work too. As far as Alstork goes, his attitude, IMO, could have been a big downfall to the team last year. Body language spoke loudly. Maybe we could find a good 5th yr, but few there worth even looking at.
Braun commits, if we find a solid guy for the 1schollie good. If not roll it, we have to consider what we have coming up, another body could be more than does us any good.
Are you sure he said it? I can't believe he'd say it either, I know you don't want to take time to look it up, but it's hard to give you much credence if you won't link the article or where you heard it.
Dan
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Jackson is an emerging 2020 PG from Ohio
https://twitter.com/UIHoopsRecruits/status/1000833218264944640
Blessed to receive an offer from Coach Underwood and the University of Illinois!
https://twitter.com/iamzebjackson/status/1000830413831581697
https://twitter.com/UIHoopsRecruits/status/1000833218264944640
Blessed to receive an offer from Coach Underwood and the University of Illinois!
https://twitter.com/iamzebjackson/status/1000830413831581697
Interview at end season, can't find it ATM, believed he said he would take best player available to fill roster but would prefer 4year scholarship player. Doesn't say he doesn't want them, or won't take, just had preference, which we all do. 5* with great size and ball skills, not finding many of them, but ATM, think Parker Braun would work just fine.
Seems BU still busy during holiday offering to 2020 guys, that is committed to the job!
Think interview was when we recruited Felix, more about Juco at the time.
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FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
On the fifth year transferring question, here is what he told topper back on April 15
Yes, we have to have talent. But I want to lay a foundation this program can sustain for years not just be an up-and-down roller coaster because we’re taking fifth-year guys. Would we take one? Yeah. But at this point we’re in a great place to really build this.”
Seems to support any view you like, in hindsight
See http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_204fdec2-85f6-5cb9-9fe0-20a124373b05.html for full article
Yes, we have to have talent. But I want to lay a foundation this program can sustain for years not just be an up-and-down roller coaster because we’re taking fifth-year guys. Would we take one? Yeah. But at this point we’re in a great place to really build this.”
Seems to support any view you like, in hindsight
See http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_204fdec2-85f6-5cb9-9fe0-20a124373b05.html for full article
You’ll never hear a coach flat out say they’ll NEVER take a certain grade player, but he did say he’d rather build a foundation with freshman than take a 5th year.
Makes more sense in the long run.
Makes more sense in the long run.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
+1.
I know we all would want Caroline to spend his final year at Illinois, but put yourself in his situation: why would you leave Nevada and go to Illinois for your final year? He's going to have a better individual- and team-related year at Nevada than he'd have coming to Illinois. If this was 2006, it would be a no-brainer for him to transfer to Illinois, but its not. Underwood is going to have to significantly improve the team in order to convince someone as good as Caroline to spend their final year at Illinois instead of their home school.
This is what I was referencing. I took his comment to mean he doesn’t really like to take 5th years. He calls it a roller-coaster which I don’t think has a positive connotation.
As I tried to explain in my post, there will always be some exceptions to the rule.
Whoever said McLaurin and Thorne were good - I vehemently disagree.
Meh, If Underwood (or any coach in his situation) had a chance to get Caroline and Cunningham, he would gladly take both. As someone mentioned, he would seriously hurt someone to get both, it is a no brainer.
People make it sound that we are intentionally turning down high quality 5th year players in favor of low ranked freshmen as part of an elaborate strategic plan. We currently have no chance at high impact 5th year players. If we did, we would gladly take them, no doubt about it.
It is the same as saying that BU prefers balance rather than taking multiple 5* players in the same class. Like we really have a good chance at that happening and it is a matter of strategic choice.
That’s kinda what i was getting at. Can’t spurn those guys because you may need them, so he would never say he won’t take them. He’s just expressed he would rather have 3-4 year guys, if they’re the right guys. :thumb:
Illini in OC
In. The. Alley.
Larry Bird is available for a fifth year because Ind St is missing some grad programs at UofI...
Only question is his athleticism.
Only question is his athleticism.
Joseph Kerr
- Fort Wayne, IN
From the beating a dead horse department:
Found another reference to this continuing debate about 5th year transfers. From The News Gazette's Scott Richey April 11 Illinois basketball chat,
"I discussed the difference between adding high school prospects and hitting the graduate transfer market in my first one-on-one sit down with Brad Underwood probably a year ago at this point. He said grad transfers have their place (if the fit is right), and he obviously added one this past season in Mark Alstork. Underwood's preference, though, is adding high school prospects because of how you can develop them. They haven't played for anybody else at the college level. There might be fewer bad habits to break, and they don't have to un-learn one college coach's system and learn another."
http://www.news-gazette.com/chats/2018-04-08/april-11-illinois-basketball-chat.html
Found another reference to this continuing debate about 5th year transfers. From The News Gazette's Scott Richey April 11 Illinois basketball chat,
"I discussed the difference between adding high school prospects and hitting the graduate transfer market in my first one-on-one sit down with Brad Underwood probably a year ago at this point. He said grad transfers have their place (if the fit is right), and he obviously added one this past season in Mark Alstork. Underwood's preference, though, is adding high school prospects because of how you can develop them. They haven't played for anybody else at the college level. There might be fewer bad habits to break, and they don't have to un-learn one college coach's system and learn another."
http://www.news-gazette.com/chats/2018-04-08/april-11-illinois-basketball-chat.html
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foby
- Bonnaroo Land
Old news, nothing changed, wait for info from Braun or reliable source. Still see if he takes trip to Arizona, nothing on that as of yet. Till we hear more,
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn: 
Mustapha Heron to transfer from Auburn. Pretty good player.
https://247sports.com/Player/Mustapha-Heron-28720/high-school-63639
https://247sports.com/Player/Mustapha-Heron-28720/high-school-63639
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