Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (November-December 2016)

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This may have been talked about already but how did everyone miss the impact Tate would have on our local targets. Seems like he would of been a great hire this past off season when talk of shaking up the staff was happening. Got to think we probably have Goodwin, Carter, and JT if we made the move to get him before SLU.
 
#327      

MadtownIllin

Madison, WI
If JG's job was a concern, couldn't that be put to rest with a call from Whitman? Just seems like a reasonable option...
 
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Be patient.

In order to answer the running questions about Tilmons' integrity -- some people believed that his word (verbal) wasn't good -- he has volunteered to do some extra-curricular work. Once SLU drops off the bag, Tilmon will take it to the NCAA office. After that he can sign his LOI.
 
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[FONT=&quot]Bret Beherns ‏@WCIA3Bret 7m7 minutes ago [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This situation reminds me a lot of Eric Gordon in 2006. 5-star recruit, new head coach at a competing school, radio silence at the end[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bret Beherns ‏@WCIA3Bret 10m10 minutes ago [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I've been in touch with East St. Louis folk and been told Jeremiah Tilmon is not available to talk at this point #Illini[/FONT]

That's great. Thanks for dropping that Gordon reference.
 
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frozenrope9190

Aurora, IL
Tilmon is someone that had blue bloods looking for him for a long time. To verbally commit to a Power 5 school in his home state with a close drive and a coach that he developed a long term relationship, then decommit and switch to an A10 bottom feeder (at least the last couple of years) to a brand new coach who has no relationship with said player (I think, confirm?) the day before signing period...wouldn't this scream an investigation by the NCAA all by itself?

If a 5 Star spurned UConn to go to Fordham, or Villanova to go to La Salle, wouldn't that raise red flags irrespective of anything else that could be going on?
 
#331      
Tilmon is someone that had blue bloods looking for him for a long time. To verbally commit to a Power 5 school in his home state with a close drive and a coach that he developed a long term relationship, then decommit and switch to an A10 bottom feeder (at least the last couple of years) to a brand new coach who has no relationship with said player (I think, confirm?) the day before signing period...wouldn't this scream an investigation by the NCAA all by itself?

If a 5 Star spurned UConn to go to Fordham, or Villanova to go to La Salle, wouldn't that raise red flags irrespective of anything else that could be going on?

If you have proof of NCAA violations then by all means contact them. Without that, there's not anything they can do.
 
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Tilmon is someone that had blue bloods looking for him for a long time. To verbally commit to a Power 5 school in his home state with a close drive and a coach that he developed a long term relationship, then decommit and switch to an A10 bottom feeder (at least the last couple of years) to a brand new coach who has no relationship with said player (I think, confirm?) the day before signing period...wouldn't this scream an investigation by the NCAA all by itself?

If a 5 Star spurned UConn to go to Fordham, or Villanova to go to La Salle, wouldn't that raise red flags irrespective of anything else that could be going on?

We may be in a P5 conference but we have been in the NCAA just once in the last 5 years. Even lowly SLU has more NCAA appearances and wins in the NCAA than us, and it is a lot easier to sell a program turnaround to recruits under a new coach rather than a coach who is into his 5th year.

I understand if we were doing really well, but we are hardly UConn and Villanova in this example.
 
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I'm not buying this waiting to see what Groce's status is nonsense. If a coach gets fired, 99.9% of the time, the schools will release you if you request. Plus he's such a commodity that other schools will always have a schollie for him. If you see smoke, there's probably Snoop Dogg.
 
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I am using as positive as they come but this one does not look good what so ever. I would not be surprised at all to see him decommitt fairly soon. That doesnt mean he wont end up still choosing Illinois, but I expect that sooner than later. Just an opinion though. Hoping for the best.
 
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Tilmon is someone that had blue bloods looking for him for a long time. To verbally commit to a Power 5 school in his home state with a close drive and a coach that he developed a long term relationship, then decommit and switch to an A10 bottom feeder (at least the last couple of years) to a brand new coach who has no relationship with said player (I think, confirm?) the day before signing period...wouldn't this scream an investigation by the NCAA all by itself?

If a 5 Star spurned UConn to go to Fordham, or Villanova to go to La Salle, wouldn't that raise red flags irrespective of anything else that could be going on?

Hate to break it to you, but a very strong argument can be made for SLU being in a much better spot than Illinois. SLU is far from an A10 bottom feeder. They've had a 2 year drought, but that's against the norm of late. And that seems to have been resolved with the hiring of Ford. Just take a look at their roster beginning next year. A top 50 player, another 4 star, 3 transfers from Michigan State, Rutgers and UCF that will become eligible, and now possibly add a top 30 guy. The year after that, adding a top 10 guy, and have to feel good about other guys in that area now including Ramey.

I know the A10 is not the B1G by any means. However, it has become a very strong mid-major with pro talent in it. VCU, Dayton, Rhode Island, St. Joe's, Davidson, SLU, with others mixed in from year to year. It is a legit 4-5 bid league. They also now have almost all of their games shown on CBS Sports Network, NBCSN, or an ESPN branch. Not a bad place for a guy to go. They won't go unnoticed, and won't be unchallenged.

In addition, many talk about the better development he would get in a P5 conference. That's true - as far as in game competition goes. However, a lot of development goes on with the coaches - head and assistants - at practice. I don't want to say it, but when you really look at it, how has our staff done with developing players? And as much as we all dislike T. Ford, he certainly has underachieved as far as what his teams have done, but how many guys has he sent to the NBA compared to Groce? I think this is a factor with some of these guys. They like Groce, he's a nice guy, has great energy, but at the end of the day I don't know if they really trust that he can help them to that next level, right or wrong. They're not willing to risk a big part of their future on an unknown, and who could blame them? (Obviously you would still expect they make that choice in a different manner than it appears Tilmon is going to). We all love the Illini, but sometimes you have to come to terms with some tough truths. When this continues to be a theme in recruiting, you have to look in the mirror and ask why this keeps happening. And it's not that everybody else is paying and we're the only ones that aren't.
 
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frozenrope9190

Aurora, IL
We may be in a P5 conference but we have been in the NCAA just once in the last 5 years. Even lowly SLU has more NCAA appearances and wins in the NCAA than us, and it is a lot easier to sell a program turnaround to recruits under a new coach rather than a coach who is into his 5th year.

I understand if we were doing really well, but we are hardly UConn and Villanova in this example.

Understood, but why not a blue-blood? Indiana and Kentucky are not too far down the road. Arkansas, Iowa, Louisville. All would jump at the chance to take a 5-star C. Allegedly spurning Illinois for Saint Louis University on a dime, after he's already verballed and the day before signing day, doesn't have the same feel as leaving Illinois for Louisville like QS did, or Indiana like EG did. Heck, VCU or Dayton make more A-10 sense, as they've maintained greater long-term success. Saint Louis has made the tourney 9 times in it's history. Their mini-run a few years ago (3 straight 2nd round appearances; nice but a blip compared to their past) was under a different coach.
 
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Taking a step back, I don't feel they are in a better spot than U of I. They had a mini run of 3 straight tourney appearances, which is nice and worthy of a look. But they've made the tourney 9 times in their history, and before 2012 it was 2000. I am not saying the Illini have played well in the last 3 years, but as a school to be shunned by a High Mid-Major? 1 Top 50 player and another 4-star sounds like the same grasping at straws our fans do when we're comparing ourselves to Villanova. Our roster is littered with 4-stars. Top to bottom the B10 is better than the A10.

All I'm saying is that this doesn't happen normally. Pick out 2 schools in close proximity with the same circumstances, have one decommit the P5 and sign with the High Mid Major during the signing period, and it would raise eyebrows.

I think I said pretty clearly that the A10 is not the B1G by any means. Doesn't discredit them as a league where he can't get development and exposure.

It would raise eyebrows. Then you take a look with those wide open eyes and see the whole situation. You see that one school has a coach firmly on the hot seat in his 5th year and whose program has not progressed in 4 years (blame injuries if you'd like, I won't argue that, just a difference of opinions). At another school, you have the flashy new coach that is creating buzz for the team throughout the area. That coach did just fail at a P5 school, but there's no denying he's a good salesman and that everybody loves the excitement of a new coach. At that school you also have the kid's best friend committed there and an AAU coach close with those guys as an assistant. You're also closer to home than here, literally in your hometown.

You don't feel they're in a better spot than us, I do feel they are (this is assuming Tilmon to them). We'll just have to disagree there. I'll just say, in 2 years, I'd take them over us if I was betting. But I think we've touched on this before with previous recruits...this whole "history" thing is nonsense. They've made it 9 times in their history. What does that at all mean to Tilmon? Has absolutely nothing to do with him. What matters to him and all recruits is the players and coaches they are going to be surrounded with. I'll even say SLU's recent 3 year run of tournaments doesn't matter either. Those players and coaches are all gone. I'll give you that at a school like Duke or Kentucky, yes past history helps because they are treated like a professional team by the TV coverage they get, partially based on their past. But also because they still have those same coaches and are loaded with 5 stars every year.
 
#339      

I Bomb

Stylin' and Profilin'
What I'm learning here is that Illinois is the only school recruits have to take past performance into consideration. Unfortunate to be in that position.:confused:
 
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EJ33

San Francisco
Name one good reason why it's in Tilmon's best interest to sign right now.
 
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bel96

Indiana
I saw this from a Mark Tupper article in the Pantagraph. I hope his high school coach is right.

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/basketball/men/tilmon-passes-on-signing-with-illini-on-opening-day/article_e10fb52e-061b-5102-9a34-8772af40b522.html

"East St. Louis Athletics Director Leonard Manley confirmed that Tilmon was not having a signing ceremony at the high school Wednesday.

But Tilmon’s high school coach, Philip Gilbert, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch Wednesday morning that Tilmon has not necessarily changed his mind.

“He’s waiting,” Gilbert said. “He has all intentions of signing with Illinois. He might sign tomorrow.”

With Tilmon not clarifying his situation, and Groce unable to address any prospect who remains unsigned, speculation erupted on social media."
 
#344      
I'm just gonna feel really uneasy until he puts pen to paper for Illinois. I really hope he does it tomorrow like that Pantagraph article suggests.

Agreed. We'll know a lot tomorrow I think since Groce pushed the presser.
 
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whatahack

St. Peters MO
Name one good reason why it's in Tilmon's best interest to sign right now.

Could his official commitment help other recruits that may be on the fence to select UI thereby making a stronger team????
 
#346      
Understood, but why not a blue-blood? Indiana and Kentucky are not too far down the road. Arkansas, Iowa, Louisville. All would jump at the chance to take a 5-star C. Allegedly spurning Illinois for Saint Louis University on a dime, after he's already verballed and the day before signing day, doesn't have the same feel as leaving Illinois for Louisville like QS did, or Indiana like EG did. Heck, VCU or Dayton make more A-10 sense, as they've maintained greater long-term success. Saint Louis has made the tourney 9 times in it's history. Their mini-run a few years ago (3 straight 2nd round appearances; nice but a blip compared to their past) was under a different coach.

Not sure why you are making it hard on yourself. Why not a blue-blood? It seems that the kid wants to stay local, and looked at local schools. Did you ask "why not a blue-blood" when he committed to Illinois? The current gap between a blue-blood and Illinois is much, much bigger than UI and SLU.

You downplay the last 5 years, yet you want to stress our history. Truth is we have been an after thought in college basketball since Dee and Augie left campus. Current recruits were 6-7 yrs-old max back in 2005.

SLU is a risk, yet it is much easier to sell a turnaround and promise under a new coach versus a coach 5-yrs into his tenure at UI with Groce's record and currently on the hot seat in the media. Ford is a recruiter and the Corey Tate hiring will attract local kids at least in short run. If he does not win in the next 4 years though, this ability will diminish.
 
#347      
Name one good reason why it's in Tilmon's best interest to sign right now.

The real question is whether Tilmon sees any good reasons to come to Illinois. If he feels that it is to his best interest to come to Illinois, signing an LOI is less of an issue.
 
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You know. In my heart of hearts, this is about winning. Winning gives job security. Winning makes kids want to be part of something. Win some godd***n games and if the world is fair, you get rewarded. If the world is about bags of cash, then I guess O don't care what happens.
 
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If a coach wants to become successful at Illinois, he needs to be an excellent recruiter, and be able to recruit against the best of them. If he can't, we'll be looking for excuses until the end of time.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. This is recruiting, this is how the game is played. JMO.
 
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But Tilmon’s high school coach, Philip Gilbert, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch Wednesday morning that Tilmon has not necessarily changed his mind.

“He’s waiting,” Gilbert said. “He has all intentions of signing with Illinois. He might sign tomorrow.”

By the way, I took a field trip to the Billiken board. They're having a field day over this and they are reading this thread.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. This is recruiting, this is how the game is played. JMO.

You've heard the expression "act like you've been there before"? That doesn't just apply to winning. Losing with grace has become a lost art, and we're not even out of it yet.

Sack up Illini Nation and wait for this thing to play out, because Tilmon, other recruits, and other fanbases are paying attention. It only hurts us and helps our adversaries to pout/lash out/show our collective !!!.

:shield:

Edit- not directed to any of the quoted.
 
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